STM : Tramway

[jesseps]

J'espère qu'on a des stations de tramway sembables à ceux qui vont être installé à Toronto (par la compagnie Montréalaise Astral Media).

 

 

I would love to see some train stations ... metro ... bus stops with that also but wont happen at bus stops seeing some stupid teens keep breaking the bus shelters assholes

[Gbx]

(par la compagnie Montréalaise Astral Media).

 

Je pense qu'Astral ne s'occupe que de la publicité mais ne construit pas les stations.

[cprail]

Ça fait partie de l'ensemble du nouveau mobilier urbain de la ville de Toronto.

C'est vrai que ça a de la gueule...

[ToxiK]

À quand du nouveau mobilier urbain pour Montréal?

[Habsfan]

À quand du nouveau mobilier urbain pour Montréal?

 

Nous n'avons pas le cash. Forgetaboutit!

[ErickMontreal]

Tremblay should derail tram plan and get on the trolley

Trolleys are better than trams: quieter, more versatile and 50 times cheaper

 

HENRY AUBIN, The Gazette

Published: 8 hours ago

 

Mayor Gérald Tremblay returned from a trip to Paris in February 2006 and pronounced himself sold on tramways, whose virtues he had witnessed in the French capital. Montreal, he said, would get its first tram within a "maximum of four years."

 

Tremblay is as eager as ever for these street vehicles that run on tracks. But he has done little to advance his vision. At a press conference last week, he again trumpeted his intention to make trams one of the hallmarks of his mayoralty, yet he pushed the ribbon-cutting date back to 2013, a full three years after his original prediction.

 

It's not as though the plan has run into engineering or planning obstacles. Mr. Dillydally has yet to even order any feasibility studies - the preliminary step in any major project. He says he'll do that sometime this summer. You'd think he would have done so shortly after the Paris trip.

 

And yet the real problem with the tram project is not with Tremblay administration's trademark immobilisme. Rather, it is with its choice in pursuing trams in the first place.

 

On paper, they look like a great idea. Trams are green - they'd run here on hydroelectricity. No pollution. No greenhouse gases.

 

They also give a smooth ride. And they're even cool-looking - as far removed from those quaint old Montreal streetcars on display at Exporail, the Canadian Railway Museum in St. Constant, as a bullet train is from a steam locomotive.

 

So, what's not to like?

 

First, the cost.

 

City hall's latest estimate, a year old, is that the first of three tram lines would cost $260 million. And it would be only six kilometres long, running from Dorchester Square to Griffintown, to Old Montreal via de la Commune St., and then up past the future CHUM hospital and back to Dorchester Square via René Lévesque Blvd.

 

That pricetag in itself is staggering. It's about what the entire Island of Montreal spends every year for its 2,300-member fire department. And that's likely an underestimate. Opposition mayoral contender Benoît Labonté warns that Europe's most recent experience with trams suggests the cost might rise by 50 per cent.

 

The other big problem with Tremblay's project is his premise that it would attract tons of people who would otherwise drive. That's far from clear.

 

Check those Paris trams lines that have so impressed our mayor (http://www.ratp.info). They tend to reach into the periphery and bring people closer to the city. It's easy to imagine that such lines would draw former motorists. Now consider the Tremblay administration's three planned tram lines, whose combined cost the city puts at $985 million.

 

The first one, just described, is a closed loop based in the central core. So you already have to be in the core to use it.

 

Another line would go along the busy Côte-des-Neiges Rd. axis from Jean Talon St. to downtown, the same route as the 165 and 535 buses. It would thus draw people from those lines. It's hard to imagine a significant number of people using the tram who aren't using buses.

 

The final line would go along Park Ave. from Jean Talon St. to downtown. Same story: The line would retrace popular bus routes, the 80 and 535. So what you'd have is better vehicles for essentially the same clientele.

 

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=90afd7d8-bcb5-4bcb-919e-ce28db70f88a

 

[Malek]

Bang on.

 

Always said it, tramways are useless and just a pet project for M. Tremblay la Girouette.

[jesseps]

Trolley ... tram. wtv christ whatever we can use to have a better transport system in this god forsaken city, just fucking build it!

[Malek]

Can someone answer these questions:

 

1- What is the speed of a tramway?

2- Will it stop at every stop like a bus does?

3- What is the capacity of a typical tramway?

[jesseps]

Can someone answer these questions:

 

1- What is the speed of a tramway?

2- Will it stop at every stop like a bus does?

3- What is the capacity of a typical tramway?

 

For question #1 not sure about Montreal but the tramcars in Shanghai will be going around 25-35 km/h. Some trams can travel upto 70-100 km/h, which is faster then the AMT train lol

 

#2 we can only hope it does.

 

#3 i guess on the number of tramcars they have *shrugs* each car probably can hold 2 dozen or more people

 

One thing that is interesting, I just read up on the locomotives that pull the passenger cars for the AMT they can travel upto 166 km/h, but the funny thing is they are clocked at like 42-50 km/h, which is quite sad, I guess they have to go that speed seeing most train stations are within a few kilometers of each other and it takes time to slow down these massive things.