montréal REM (ligne A) - Discussion générale

[Fortier]

il y a 10 minutes, Chuck-A a dit :

 

Le futur métro de Montréal embarque Engie

À la une › RAIL  |  Par CB, le 7 novembre 2019

Le groupement Engie Transport Canada (ETC) a remporté auprès du consortium NouvLR le lot caténaire du futur Réseau Express Métropolitain (REM) de Montréal. Ce contrat d’ampleur s’étendra de janvier 2020 à juillet 2023, donnant lieu à un tout nouveau mode de transport de type métro léger.

Le groupement ETC regroupant Engie Solutions, la nouvelle marque du groupe Engie spécialiste notamment de la mobilité verte et Engie Services Canada, vient de remporter son tout premier projet d’envergure en Amérique du Nord auprès du groupement d’entreprises NouvLR, chargé de l’ingénierie et de la construction générale du projet pour la Ville de Montréal. Pour cette opération, le groupement assurera les études, les fournitures et la construction de la caténaire pour l’ensemble du REM sur 26 stations et une distance de 67 km.
Pionnier de la transition énergétique, Engie confirme ainsi sa capacité à mettre en œuvre des solutions technologiques et infrastructures ferroviaires « clés en main », favorisant ainsi un mode de transport plus durable et performant et notamment au Canada, un pays au fort potentiel : le réseau ferroviaire nord-américain est en effet très peu électrifié, à raison d’une centaine de kilomètres (129 km précisément !) au Canada contre plus de 15 000 en France.  

Un défi technique

Le mode de transport de ce nouveau REM sera de type métro léger, entièrement automatisé et électrique. Plus important projet de transport collectif du Québec depuis 50 ans, il s’étendra d’Est [... pas tellement dans l'Est de Montréal pour le moment; fort possiblement lors d'une future phase...] en Ouest et du Nord au Sud et desservira l’ensemble de l’agglomération grâce à ses 26 stations. Débutés en 2020 [... les travaux du REM ont commencé en 2018; probablement que ceux exécutés par la compagnie Engie le seront en 2020...], les travaux s’étendront jusqu’en 2023 avec une mise en service progressive dès 2021 sur un premier segment. Conçu sans conducteur, le REM sera géré par un centre de contrôle qui veillera continuellement au bon fonctionnement des équipements. Les quais seront quant à eux protégés par des portes palières. Ces nouveautés assureront aux usagers fiabilité, sécurité et régularité du réseau. « Reconnue pour ses expertises internationales, Engie Solutions apportera tout d’abord un soutien technique à l’équipe de NouvLR pour finaliser la conception du système caténaire » explique le groupe. Fortes de leur expertise caténaire conjuguée à leur capacité à optimiser les techniques locales, les équipes d’ETC seront ensuite chargées des études, des installations et de superviser la construction sur l’ensemble de la ligne.

A terme, l’aéroport ne sera plus qu’à 20 minutes du centre-ville pour en moyenne 1 heure actuellement. Avec ce contrat, le groupe français renforce ainsi son ambition d’être l’un des chefs de file comme fournisseur de systèmes clés en main pour les infrastructures de transport, notamment en métros, tramways et LGV (électrification, remaniement d’installations caténaires, lignes aériennes de contact, équipements de signalisation à la voie, postes informatiques ou conventionnels, salles techniques et postes opérateurs...).

https://www.constructioncayola.com/rail/article/2019/11/07/126625/futur-metro-montreal-embarque-engie

Quelle ironie d'entendre dans la même journée le maire du Sud-Ouest, qui aurait possiblement 2 stations du REM sur son territoire, appeler ces dites stations des "gares", alors qu'un magazine de BTP de Louveciennes dans le 78 sait que c'est un réseau de métro...

[SKYMTL]

I seriously hope folks on this project are taking VERY good notes on what's happening in Ottawa right now with the Confederation Line.  Man what a mess....

[p_xavier]

1 hour ago, Fortier said:

Quelle ironie d'entendre dans la même journée le maire du Sud-Ouest, qui aurait possiblement 2 stations du REM sur son territoire, appeler ces dites stations des "gares", alors qu'un magazine de BTP de Louveciennes dans le 78 sait que c'est un réseau de métro...

La presse utilise gares et stations dans un même article... mais c'est fou comment les médias hors Québec comprennent mieux c'est quoi le REM que les médias locaux.

[Windex]

il y a 8 minutes, SKYMTL a dit :

I seriously hope folks on this project are taking VERY good notes on what's happening in Ottawa right now with the Confederation Line.  Man what a mess....

Oui. Et j'étais un peu surpris de cette phrase dans l'article de Chuck-A. Il y a parfois des "growing pains"...

il y a une heure, Chuck-A a dit :

Engie Services Canada, vient de remporter son tout premier projet d’envergure en Amérique du Nord

 

[Chuck-A]

THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY OF REM CONSTRUCTION

BY SEAN KIM  /  BUSINESS & TECHNOLOGY  /  NOVEMBER 8, 2019

Route Map Courtesy of Creative Commons

Montreal is a diverse city, filled with people from all different kinds of backgrounds and styles of life. The beauty of big cities like Montreal and Toronto is that people can easily connect to each other and relate, despite any cultural differences. And here in Montreal, everyone has the same opinion on one thing: the construction scene sucks.

Construction itself is not what causes frustration. Construction on roadways and public spaces represent innovation and an effort by the city to continue to increase our already high standard of living. Examples of those include the reopening of the Biodome in Spring of 2020 and the consistent improvements made to Old Montreal. However, the problem is that at times, it feels like the city is just mindlessly contracting projects without allowing the current ones to finish. Just take a look at this map that MTLBlog put up at the beginning of the summer to warn Montrealers of the bleak outlook of intercity travel. 

« Using light-rail transportation technology, it is projected to slash commuting times across the city, solving the ever-present problem of traffic congestion within the city. »

Amidst all of this construction, yet another project has started, one that is larger in scale than all the others: the Reseau-Express-Metropolitan, or REM for short. The REM is a $1.3 billion transportation project, aimed at connecting the island of Montreal to the surrounding residential and municipal areas. Using light-rail transportation technology, it is projected to slash commuting times across the city, solving the ever-present problem of traffic congestion within the city. 

In theory, all of this sounds good. While costs are now projected to exceed the initial estimate, the REM will no doubt provide immeasurable value in the future for both work and commute efficiency. If we wait for just a bit longer, Sherbrooke may no longer be a constant traffic jam and maybe, just maybe, the buses will arrive on time.

But there are still so many ‘maybes’ surrounding this project. For one, the REM is set to be partially operational by the summer of 2022. Early signs seem to show that construction will remain on course, but construction in Montreal always seems to be delayed. This is especially true in high traffic areas, and with the projected construction of a station on McGill College Avenue, it may take significant time before workers can make any headway. 

Another heavy traffic area that will be affected by REM construction is the Mount-Royal tunnel. In fact, the Mount-Royal tunnel will be closed down entirely until 2022 to allow for construction. This means catastrophic traffic delays for nearly 18,000 who used that tunnel for their commute, and that other Metro stations will have to absorb all the additional traffic. All these issues would culminate to slow down business around the city by a significant margin. 

Montrealers are also taking issue with the fact that the REM is moving away from Park-and-Go lots and towards enabling ease of access to a larger variety of users. While this would be consistent with Montreal’s vision for making public transportation more green, it would inconvenience a large number of employees who still use their cars to commute part of the way. 

« If people are being inconvenienced by having to take public transportation to access the REM, is the REM really fulfilling its purpose ? »

On the one hand, climate change mandates have changed across Canada, especially in the bigger cities like Montreal. This means that city governments are being pressured to make green, environmentally-conscious innovations. However, the primary goal of the REM is to enable fast, convenient commuting for workers coming in and out of the island. If people are being inconvenienced by having to take public transportation to access the REM, is the REM really fulfilling its purpose?

So there are two possible realities. Either the REM will be remembered as a project that was key in innovating transportation across the city and improving the quality of life, or it will be remembered as the project that took “forever” and made commuter lives a hassle for the entire duration. In either one, it is safe to say that one thing will remain constant: the construction scene in Montreal is ever-present, with much to live up to.

http://bullandbearmcgill.com/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-rem-construction/

[Barbès-Rochechouart]

18 minutes ago, Chuck-A said:

 the Reseau-Express-Metropolitan, or REM for short. The REM is a $1.3 billion transportation project,

Une vraie aubaine! 🤦‍♂️

 

18 minutes ago, Chuck-A said:

it would inconvenience a large number of employees who still use their cars to commute part of the way.

Dans les 2-3 premières années, oui probablement.. mais sur du moyen-long terme, 5-10 ans, c'est le but!

 

Ouais.. article un peu boboche

Modifié 9 novembre 2019 par Barbès-Rochechouart

[Chuck-A]

il y a 22 minutes, Barbès-Rochechouart a dit :

Une vraie aubaine! 🤦‍♂️

Dans les 2-3 premières années, oui probablement.. mais sur du moyen-long terme, 5-10 ans, c'est le but!

Ouais.. article un peu boboche

En effet, j'avoue qu'on semble avoir tourné les coins un peu rondement, lors de la rédaction de cet article, provenant... d'un magazine étudiant de l'université McGill.   Je vais me reprendre... 

[Chuck-A]

Un petit article intéressant sur ce qui ne devraient pas être répétés de l'expérience de l'O-Train d'Ottawa par l'équipe du REM. 

On mentionne entre autre que la ligne de la Confédération de l'O-Train est tombé en panne plus de 31 fois dans les 53 derniers jours... et que les principaux problèmes, auxquels le système de train léger régional est confronté, incluraient les ordinateurs qui contrôlent le train, les portes et les aiguillages.  J'espère que l'équipe de NouvLR (i.e. entre autre SNC...) aura retenu la leçon.

Montreal's REM Train Is More Efficient Than Ottawa's LRT & It's Not Even Built Yet
REM managers should look to Ottawa to find out what NOT to do.

MTLBLOG  |  Teddy Elliot  |  22 hours ago  |  Updated on November 08 @ 12:12 PM

Réseau express métropolitain (REM) | Facebook                                                                    O-Train Confederation Line

• To many's surprise, the construction of Montreal's REM has been making incredible progress since the project began in 2018.
• Unlike the REM, Ottawa's Confederation Line, the city's largest transit project ever, has faced numerous difficulties.
  [...]

Here's a sentence I never thought I'd write: Montreal is actually being super-efficient and is already seeing huge success during the construction of the Réseau express métropolitain light rail (REM). Construction for Montreal's REM began in 2018 and incredible progress has already been made. The first lines are set to open by 2021 and already, public consultants are praising the projet's potential. The REM will have 67-kilometres of tracks with automated trains running all day long.

With a projected cost of over $6 billion, the REM will become an essential aspect of Montreal's public transit system, connecting the suburbs to downtown like never before. The project is set to be 100% finished by 2023. 

While the REM is a paragon of efficiency and careful planning, Ottawa's Confederation Line has already seen dozens of setbacks and problems in less than 8 weeks of operation. As Montreal's closest neighbour with a light rail line, it's interesting to compare both projects. 

The Confederation Line is Ottawa's largest public transit project to date. With 12.5-kilometres of track and servicing 13 stations, the Confederation Line is nowhere near the scale of the REM. Though it's still not finished (2025 projected), Ottawa's Confederation Line has a long way to go and is already facing way too many problems. 

Is the Confederation Line a look into what's in store for the REM or will Montreal's light train continue to chug along without a hitch?

According to CBC News, Ottawa's Confederation Line has broken down "31 times in the last 53 days" which has caused more than 20 hours of disruptions in one week. While the need to iron out some kinks is normal, Ottawa's LRT has seen more than enough in less than 2 months of operations. 

The main issues facing Ottawa's LRT include the computers that control the train, the train doors, and the rail switches, according to Global News.

Along with overcrowded buses, missed connections, and trains simply not showing up, riders in Ottawa are extremely frustrated. 

O-Train Confederation Line

Computer problems are what's making it difficult for trains to operate and show up to the stations on time. I don't know if you've ever been to Ottawa, but their public transportation is anything but reliable, so it's not like riders can hop on the metro or bus if there are major issues. And of course, issues always pop up during rush hours. 

O-Train Confederation Line

In an all-too-familiar turn of events, Ottawa city officials are blaming the company that maintains the LRT for the countless service delays and issues. The city apparently pays the company some $5 million a month to maintain the railway and the trains but claims that they've fallen short on promises. 

And finally, the LRT in Ottawa has already created so many problems that the mayor, Jim Watson, pledged to bring back 40 buses that were taken out of service and pledged an extra $9.5 million to improve Ottawa's bus service. 

So, how does the REM fit into all this?

Keeping in mind that the REM is nowhere close to being finished, we can take Ottawa's LRT issues only as a cautionary tale. I mean, who knows, once the REM finished, you might see an article titled "The REM Is Totally Broken & Montreal Is Going To Riot," so stay tuned. 

However, one rail line's failures are another one's successes. The REM is going to be huge and will definitely have some problems at first, but so far, everything is coming together according to plan. 

Construction is moving along uncharacteristically efficiently and unlike Ottawa's Confederation Line, the REM will be fully integrated into existing infrastructure. 

The trains themselves are seemingly more effective than Ottawa's, as they feature double doors that won't get jammed, a fully-automated system, extra-wide seats, and noise reduction features. Ottawa's trains have already seen countless systems malfunctions, heating that doesn't work, and parts that fall off in transit. 

Basically, the REM is going off without a hitch (so far) and Ottawa's hastily-thought out and troublesome Confederation Line seems to be more problematic than it's worth.

The first REM trains are set to roll out in 2021, with the project being completely finished by 2023. 

https://www.mtlblog.com/news/canada/qc/montreal/montreals-rem-train-is-more-efficient-than-ottawas-lrt-and-its-not-even-built-yet

[Decel]

Il y a 1 heure, Chuck-A a dit :

So there are two possible realities. Either the REM will be remembered as a project that was key in innovating transportation across the city and improving the quality of life, or it will be remembered as the project that took “forever” and made commuter lives a hassle for the entire duration. In either one, it is safe to say that one thing will remain constant: the construction scene in Montreal is ever-present, with much to live up to.

LOL @ "forever" en décrivant le REM. Ces étudiants n'ont pas connu les attentes envers la ligne bleue...

[mk.ndrsn]

Pourquoi se générer tant d’anxiété en relation à un projet qui tout compte fait est bien différent du REM dans le matériel choisi et la mise en œuvre?