STM : Tramway

[ToxiK]

Merci pour vos réactions. Dans l'hypothèse d'un tramway sans fil, quel avantage y a -t-il par rapport à l'autobus électrique ?

 

Si on compare un tramway en site propre avec une voie réservée pour autobus (donc, dans les deux cas, les autobus/tramways ne sont pas coincés avec la circulation), alors je dirai que le tramway est plus avantageux pour offrir un plus grand débit. Un seul opérateur pourrait être nécessaire pour tirer 3 ou 6 wagons (alors que chaque autobus a besoin de son propre chauffeur). Le tramway est plus "sexy" que l'autobus et est plus attirant pour les utilisateurs. C'est un outil de marketing non négligeable si on veut aller chercher sa clientèle chez les automobilistes.

[Cyrus]

Le tramway est plus "sexy" que l'autobus et est plus attirant pour les utilisateurs. C'est un outil de marketing non négligeable si on veut aller chercher sa clientèle chez les automobilistes.

 

Mais vraiment? Les automobilistes n'ont pas peur des pneus bien evidemment

 

Faut admettre que ca semble fou qu'on aurait un metro souterrain sur pneus puis un tramway sur rail au surface

[Davidbourque]

C'est plus sexy principalement parce que c'est mieux aménagé et moins brute. Ça sera plus facilement climatisable et les voies dédiés auront une meilleur circulation, plus près du métro. Normalement, il devrais y avoir une synchronisation des lumières lors du passage.

 

Mais bon, le tramway, ça me dérangerait pas, plus rapide et plus confortable que l'autobus.

[champdemars]

Par rapport à une voie réservée pour bus comme on s'aprête à faire sur Pie-IX, le tramway a aussi l'avantage des portes. On y embarque comme dans un métro et le plancher est au même niveau que les quais. De plus, on a pas à passer par la seule porte du bus, devant le chauffeur. Il y a plusieurs portes comme dans un métro. Donc moins de perte de temps à chaque station et plus facile d'y embarquer avec une chaise roulante ou une poussette.

 

De plus, le roulement du tramway est beaucoup plus stable. Le fenestration est plus généreuse aussi. Du fait qu'il est sur rails, il prends moins de place sur la rue (les tramways peuvent passer très près l'un de l'autre sans risquer de s'accrocher) et je crois qu'il est un peu plus étroit qu'un bus.

 

AU niveau de la capacité:

 

- Bus standard: 60 personnes

- Bus articulé: 90 personnes

- Tramway: 120 personnes et plus si couplé avec un ou 2 autres.

 

Et si le tramway est blqué sur les voies? On fait la même chose qu'avec le métro... on fait un service de bus d'urgence.

[Cyrus]

Another potential problem with tramways:

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/08/kelly-mcparland-passenger-stand-off-sparks-showdown-at-the-ttc/

 

Kelly McParland Jul 8, 2011 – 9:59 AM ET | Last Updated: Jul 8, 2011 10:03 AM ET

 

Sometime around 5 p.m. on Monday the rickety, trundling, overburdened behemoth that is Toronto’s transit system teetered on the edge of calamity as an open revolt developed between a coterie of frustrated passengers and a streetcar driver who wouldn’t budge.

 

We don’t know the names of those involved, although Toronto’s CITY-TV does have a video of an agitated supervisor trying to bring an end to the confrontation, then making a grab for the camera when he realizes he’s being filmed. All that was needed was some tumbleweeds, the clink of spurs and a gristly varmint muttering “fill your fist” and it could have been a standoff worthy of the old west.

 

For a transit system that seems to get bad luck or no luck at all, it was the last thing anyone needed. But it also didn’t bring much credit to the new, improved Toronto city council, which was supposed to fix things up pronto once it got elected last fall but has yet to produce much in the way of results.

 

Monday’s conflict, recounted by witnesses after the video inevitably made its way onto TV screens, began when passengers were kept waiting on a hot summer evening for a streetcar that didn’t arrive. Estimates of the wait vary — somewhere between half an hour and 40 minutes. It was rush hour and people wanted to get home. When the car finally arrived, the driver further aggravated the crowd by hopping off for a short break. A middle-aged woman said something and the driver said something back. “I don’t like your attitude and you are not getting into my car,” the woman (who now has a lawyer) says she was told.

 

She ignored the command and got on the car. The driver ordered her off. She refused. The crowd sided with her and the driver got his back up — one passenger claimed he was “out of his mind.” The driver called a supervisor, who duly appeared and tried to settle things down, insisting the woman leave the car.

 

“We can all sit here forever, or you can come off and let the streetcar go,” he says, not yet aware that his presence was being recorded.

 

“But why?” someone asks.

 

“You know what?” the supervisor responds. “We’ll just leave the streetcar here.”

 

When he notices the camera, things get worse. There’s nothing illegal about taking pictures on buses or streetcars, but TTC employees have been sensitive about having their activities recorded since a rash of embarrassing photos and videos appeared last year, showing them dozing at ticket booths or abandoning loaded vehicles while they headed off for a coffee break. According to passengers, when the supervisor spotted the camera and managed to get his hand over the lens, an elderly passenger either grabbed him by the arm or wrapped him in a bear hug (the stories vary).

 

That set off a siege, as passengers refused to get off the car and the TTC officials refused to let it move. Additional streetcars arriving at the station started stacking up behind, doing nothing to improve the mood of their passengers or the growing rank of upset TTC officials. Finally the police arrived and sorted things out. No charges were laid.

 

For the TTC it’s yet another bit of evidence that frustration with the system hasn’t disappeared despite an official show of concern, which has included establishment of a “customer service advisory group” and the hiring of summer students to act as “ambassadors” at designated stations. This week the vice-chairman told riders to brace for yet another fare hike cuts costs, while TTC boss Karen Stintz suggested the authority’s subsidy may be reduced by 10%. Meanwhile a former general manager of the system blasted many of the plans of Mayor Rob Ford and his new council — who don’t like streetcars to begin with – using terms like “insane”, “crazy” and “the dumbest decision ever.”

 

Everyone claims hey have big plans for improvement. Passengers would be satisfied if they started by getting the streetcars to show up on time.

 

National Post

[Davidbourque]

un problème qui peut très bien subvenir avec l'autobus. Peux être pas les train qui ont stacké derrière mais bon. D'un autre coté, avec un design de tramway avec cabine fermé, il ne devrais pas y avoir trop de problème de ce genre.

 

Mais bon, c'est surtout un gros problème de gestion de personnel à mon avis. J'ai toujours eu horreur des chauffeurs de bus qui arrêtait au Tim Horton pendant leur trajet, prenait leur petit café tranquille pendant qu'il y a plein de monde qui attendre dans l'autobus.

 

Je me rappelle d'un chauffeur qui roulais en fou, ce qui faisait qu'il passait trop tôt a plusieurs arrêt pour aller au tim horton...

 

Mais bon, dans ce cas, c'est clairement une situation ou le staff de Toronto n'est pas très lumière...

[IluvMTL]

Although some people were critical about the Métro system for getting to and leaving Namur Station (Blue Bonnet's site for the U2 concert), can you imagine the chaos if they had to use a tramway?

With street closures and masses of people blocking streets around major events (fireworks, outdoor jazz and other shows, parades...), I wonder if they woud even use a downtown tramway durng those instances...

And what about our infrastructure record? Our water pipes have a tendancy to burst without notice. That might close down certain lines for up to a year...

[FollowTheLeader]

streetcars or "tramways" are a horrible idea for Montreal, with most of its inner island roads being very tight and small, its only a matter of time until Montreal gets an even bigger traffic chaos throughout the city. In example here in T.O, every streetcar roads have created serious traffic damage to Toronto. St-Clair street is one of the prime examples where road lanes have been reduced to one with a second one for parking use and its absolutely horrific to drive on. Dump that idea somewhere else because it simply wont work. Keep extending the Metro lines (with the blue line extension towards Anjou first) and no useless and failing investments needed for a Tramway.

[Cyrus]

no useless and failing investments needed for a Tramway.

 

We don't do that kind of thing in Montreal, we only do investments that are useless or failing, even when we have a good investment, we ignore it after the ribbon is cut and it starts to fail too

[ToxiK]

streetcars or "tramways" are a horrible idea for Montreal, with most of its inner island roads being very tight and small, its only a matter of time until Montreal gets an even bigger traffic chaos throughout the city. In example here in T.O, every streetcar roads have created serious traffic damage to Toronto. St-Clair street is one of the prime examples where road lanes have been reduced to one with a second one for parking use and its absolutely horrific to drive on. Dump that idea somewhere else because it simply wont work. Keep extending the Metro lines (with the blue line extension towards Anjou first) and no useless and failing investments needed for a Tramway.

 

The roads are narrow and that is why we need more public transit, includind tramways. There is not much room for more cars, so transit expansion must go throught mass transit. If we close a lane and replace it by a tramway that would transport more people that the lane could even carry with cars, we then just expanded the total transit capacity of that street.