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[Brick]

à l’instant, ToxiK a dit :

Récemment, il a faits quelques commentaires sur les vélos qui l'aurait banni (pour ne pas dire excommunié...) de chez Projet Montréal.

Il se prépare à concurrencer radiocan comme morning man. 😁 Les deux ne peuvent pas être trop pro-Valérie; il y aurait complot.

[ToxiK]

il y a 1 minute, Brick a dit :

Il se prépare à concurrencer radiocan comme morning man. 😁 Les deux ne peuvent pas être trop pro-Valérie; il y aurait complot.

C'est peut-être ça.  C'est peut-être aussi que Projet Montréal commence à être perçu sous son vrai jour.

[mtlurb]

Ce que j’ai lu ailleurs c’est que le chemin Camilien-Houde ne fait pas partie du parc. Il a été acheté par la ville justement pour donner accès au parc. Ce que PM tente d’interdire maintenant  

il y a une heure, ToxiK a dit :

Sinon, la question posée par le verdissement de Camillien-Houde est la suivante : est-ce normal qu’un parc de l’envergure du Mont-Royal soit traversé par une route qui est majoritairement utilisée pour faciliter la vie des automobilistes qui veulent rallier l’est ou l’ouest de la ville ?

 

 

[swansongtoo]

https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/tom-mulcair-valerie-plante-mayor-of-some-montrealers

Tom Mulcair: Valérie Plante, mayor of some Montrealers 

With her plan to revamp Mount Royal, Plante appears to believe that playing to her elite base is the best way to build her political legacy. 

Author of the article:

Tom Mulcair  •  Special to Montreal Gazette

Published Sep 19, 2023  •  Last updated 1 hour ago  •  3 minute read

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There was something inappropriate about Mayor Valérie Plante’s forced smile when she announced that she would simply ignore the key recommendation of the massive public consultation she had herself ordered. Did she really think she’d get away with scrapping the only eastern access into Mount Royal Park?

Here was one of the best politicians of her generation, elected and re-elected on a promise of positive change, reverting to the style that Montrealers rejected with Denis Coderre.

After that consultation, the key takeaway was that Camillien-Houde Way into Mount Royal Park would remain open. Now, she was slamming the door on citizens who had, in good faith, taken part in that democratic process.

On Monday, Dominique Ollivier, who headed up the public consultation (and today is chair of the Plante’s executive committee), looked like she was imitating Doug Ford as she tried to rationalize her administration’s about-face. When Ford opened large tracts of Toronto’s protected Greenbelt to developers, he pleaded that he’d followed all of the recommendations of Ontario’s auditor general, except one — the most important one: to reconsider.

So too with Plante and Ollivier. They try to excuse their betrayal by saying they’ll follow all of the proposals, except one — the most important one: to leave the road open. No one is being duped.

The COVID-19 pandemic reinforced our understanding of the importance of maintaining access to green spaces. How is shutting off a key road into the park supposed to enhance access?

Plante sent out her troops to quell the fierce reaction against her scheme. My favourite was councillor Alex Norris who gave this piece of advice on CJAD: Park your car in the parking lot at the old Royal Victoria Hospital and walk up the mountain!

In that one knee-slapper, the total disconnect between the Plante administration and the real world of Montrealers couldn’t have been clearer.

It takes some time for a political movement to show they’ve stopped listening. The Plante administration is no different, and as it enters its seventh year this fall, it’s begun aging badly.

I’m told on background that one of the reasons for Plante’s announcement is that she has decided that this is her last term. She’s thinking “legacy.” She appears to believe that playing to her elite base is the best way to be remembered for her time in politics. And make no mistake, this is one for her base. What’s interesting is that with a 2027 start date for Plante’s project, a new mayor elected in 2025 will thankfully have time to reverse it.

Since Gro Harlem Brundtland’s landmark report on our common future, we’ve understood that sustainable development issues have to include a look at the social and economic aspects, in addition to the environmental.

Mount Royal Park is magnificent and families with little access to the countryside come in droves. Barbecues, picnic baskets and kids in tow. Feet in beaver lake, long rolling slopes to play on, trees for shade. Nice tables to sit at and enjoy some down time with family and friends.

Small businesses making deliveries on both sides of Mount Royal would have to add a good 30 minutes per run. Plante’s platoon were out pleading that the mountain shouldn’t be a “shortcut.” Why not? It’s difficult enough getting around the orange cone chaos in this city, to say nothing of the thousands of cars and delivery vehicles that would now swarm into peaceful neighbourhoods around the mountain.

Speed is indeed a serious concern. Ever hear of photo radar? There’s a chute on Côte-des-Neiges Rd. as it becomes Guy St. Everyone knows there’s a radar camera there and, believe me, everyone slows down.

But this isn’t about shortcuts or speed or sustainable development. It’s about a person, Valérie Plante, who has decided that she and her clique know better than the thousands of people who showed up for her own consultation. This is a mixture of cynicism and arrogance.

Montrealers deserve better.

[mtlurb]

il y a 58 minutes, swansongtoo a dit :

But this isn’t about shortcuts or speed or sustainable development. It’s about a person, Valérie Plante, who has decided that she and her clique know better than the thousands of people who showed up for her own consultation. This is a mixture of cynicism and arrogance.

Montrealers deserve better.

Ouch.... 

And its coming from politician on the left who normally would've agreed with her politics.

[mtlurb]

Pour ce que ça vaut, une pétition pour maintenir l'accès universel à la montagne: https://ensemblemtl.org/consultations/petition-camillien-houde-securisation-acces/

[ToxiK]

Il y a 2 heures, swansongtoo a dit :

https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/tom-mulcair-valerie-plante-mayor-of-some-montrealers

Tom Mulcair: Valérie Plante, mayor of some Montrealers 

(...)

I’m told on background that one of the reasons for Plante’s announcement is that she has decided that this is her last term. She’s thinking “legacy.” She appears to believe that playing to her elite base is the best way to be remembered for her time in politics. And make no mistake, this is one for her base.

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[ToxiK]

Il y a 1 heure, mtlurb a dit :

Ouch.... 

And its coming from politician on the left who normally would've agreed with her politics.

Je crois que de plus en plus de gens commencent à voir Projet Montréal pour ce qu'il est, soit un parti dogmatique qui se cache derrière l'acceptabilité sociale pour bloquer les idées qu'ils n'aiment pas mais qui n'hésite pas à imposer sa propre idéologie comme un rouleau compresseur.

En fait, c'est comme si les gens se mettent enfin à comprendre ce qu'on dit sur mtlrub depuis quelques temps...          

[mtlurb]

il y a une heure, ToxiK a dit :

Je crois que de plus en plus de gens commencent à voir Projet Montréal pour ce qu'il est, soit un parti dogmatique qui se cache derrière l'acceptabilité sociale pour bloquer les idées qu'ils n'aiment pas mais qui n'hésite pas à imposer sa propre idéologie comme un rouleau compresseur.

En fait, c'est comme si les gens se mettent enfin à comprendre ce qu'on dit sur mtlrub depuis quelques temps...          

Malheureusement le mal est déjà fait dans la ville, et dans les villes qui l'émulent.

[swansongtoo]

1 hour ago, mtlurb said:

Malheureusement le mal est déjà fait dans la ville, et dans les villes qui l'émulent.

La bonne chose est que les changements PM peuvent être défaites.  
 

Passe le scraper sur la piste cyclable St. Antoine par exemple.