Métro de Longueuil: des usagers frappés par une hausse de 60%

[pedepy]

si la stm avait eu des couilles le service a laval aurait ete suspendu depuis longtemps le temps que le maire de laval se fasse peinturer dans un coin par ses contribuables et la situation n'aurait pas deborder jusqu'a l'autre rive..

[MTLskyline]

At least the issue is now settled, thanks M. Vaillancourt for putting your foot down.

 

We need more politicians like him.

 

Gilles Vaillancourt is more whiny than Jean Charest, Danny Williams and Elizabeth May combined... I'm not sure why we need more of his kind here...

 

How is the issue settled? Laval users are still paying $41 more than Montreal users? All he did was make south shore residents pay more, and that was all out of spite. A pareto improvement, this is not. And now while he has promised to resume his city's payments for their share of the STM's debt, Longueuil has consequently (and rightfully so) stopped theirs.

 

Please enlighten us as to how this issue has been settled?

 

Who benefited?

- Not the STM. While Laval is resuming its payments for its share of the STM's debt, Longueuil is stopping its payments. They cancel each other out. The amount Longueuil pays into the STM is more than then $1,000,000 extra that this increase will bring.

- Not Laval users. They still can't use anything but TRAM 3 passes.

- Not Longueuil users, now they MUST use TRAM 3 passes.

- Not Montreal. Bridge traffic will worsen because there are some people who will refuse to pay for both parking at the Longueuil metro ($130) and a TRAM 3 pass ($111).

- Not the south shore economy. Now potential students from Montreal at Université de Sherbrooke, Champlain College Cégep Edouard-Monpetit, etc. will be scared off from attending.

 

One step forward two steps back as they say (but in this case, I'm not sure that any steps have been made forward)

[JFrosty]

Gilles Vaillancourt is more whiny than Jean Charest, Danny Williams and Elizabeth May combined... I'm not sure why we need more of his kind here...

 

How is the issue settled? Laval users are still paying $41 more than Montreal users? All he did was make south shore residents pay more, and that was all out of spite. A pareto improvement, this is not. And now while he has promised to resume his city's payments for their share of the STM's debt, Longueuil has consequently (and rightfully so) stopped theirs.

 

Please enlighten us as to how this issue has been settled?

 

Who benefited?

- Not the STM. While Laval is resuming its payments for its share of the STM's debt, Longueuil is stopping its payments. They cancel each other out. The amount Longueuil pays into the STM is more than then $1,000,000 extra that this increase will bring.

- Not Laval users. They still can't use anything but TRAM 3 passes.

- Not Longueuil users, now they MUST use TRAM 3 passes.

- Not Montreal. Bridge traffic will worsen because there are some people who will refuse to pay for both parking at the Longueuil metro ($130) and a TRAM 3 pass ($111).

- Not the south shore economy. Now potential students from Montreal at Université de Sherbrooke, Champlain College Cégep Edouard-Monpetit, etc. will be scared off from attending.

 

One step forward two steps back as they say (but in this case, I'm not sure that any steps have been made forward)

 

Tant que le roi Vaillancourt a ce qu'il veut, tout le monde devrait être content!

[Cataclaw]

Gilles Vaillancourt is more whiny than Jean Charest, Danny Williams and Elizabeth May combined... I'm not sure why we need more of his kind here...

 

How is the issue settled? Laval users are still paying $41 more than Montreal users? All he did was make south shore residents pay more, and that was all out of spite. A pareto improvement, this is not. And now while he has promised to resume his city's payments for their share of the STM's debt, Longueuil has consequently (and rightfully so) stopped theirs.

 

Please enlighten us as to how this issue has been settled?

 

Who benefited?

- Not the STM. While Laval is resuming its payments for its share of the STM's debt, Longueuil is stopping its payments. They cancel each other out. The amount Longueuil pays into the STM is more than then $1,000,000 extra that this increase will bring.

- Not Laval users. They still can't use anything but TRAM 3 passes.

- Not Longueuil users, now they MUST use TRAM 3 passes.

- Not Montreal. Bridge traffic will worsen because there are some people who will refuse to pay for both parking at the Longueuil metro ($130) and a TRAM 3 pass ($111).

- Not the south shore economy. Now potential students from Montreal at Université de Sherbrooke, Champlain College Cégep Edouard-Monpetit, etc. will be scared off from attending.

 

One step forward two steps back as they say (but in this case, I'm not sure that any steps have been made forward)

 

Well put, I agree 100%.

 

I already get a tram 3 so this doesn't affect me, but a friend of mine lives in the Port de Mer and he's quite pissed about this. Rightfully so.

[Malek]

si la stm avait eu des couilles le service a laval aurait ete suspendu depuis longtemps le temps que le maire de laval se fasse peinturer dans un coin par ses contribuables et la situation n'aurait pas deborder jusqu'a l'autre rive..

 

C'est ce qui allait arriver jusqu'à ce que la Gouvermaman donne un peu d'argent à la STM (comme d'habitude) pour qu'elle ferme sa gueule subventionné et syndiquée à l'os... 750 millions bloqués par les roitelets de Montréal? impensable.

 

La STM joue les vierges offensés, tandis que ce sont les payeurs de taxes qui mangent la grosse m****, doublement à Laval avec une passe non équitable et des redevances d'impôts en extra.

 

Je suis bien d'accord que c'est chien pour Longueuil, mais ça fais 2 ans que les Lavallois se font avoir, non merci. Au moins là ya plus de passe droit.

 

Mtlskyline, conservateur, utilisateur-payeur devrait être ta doctrine, pourquoi tu pleures quand ça t'affecte?

[Miska]

Moi je reviens sur le fait que les usagers qui bénificiait de la TRAM 1 était à moins de 5 KM du Centre-Ville. (résidants des alentours du métro, étudiants à l'U de Sherbrooke et collège Champlain)

 

Laval elle est à plus de 10 KM du Centre-Ville.

 

C'est une mesure illogique et très certainement une mesure qui n'aide pas la promotion du TEC.

 

[francely57]

Fin de la CAM au métro Longueuil: Une décision odieuse, selon Transport 2000

 

MARIE-EVE SHAFFER

MÉTRO

08 février 2010 00:00

 

 

L’organisme de défense des droits des usagers du transport en commun, Transport 2000, juge «odieuse» la décision du maire de Montréal et de la Société de transport de Montréal (STM) de bannir la CAM au métro Longueuil le 1er juillet prochain. «On frappe les usagers du transport en commun qui viennent à Montréal et qui sont beaucoup plus nombreux que ceux qui en sortent, a réagi le directeur général de l’organisme, Normand Parisien. C’est discriminatoire.»

 

En imposant la TRAM 3, vendue au coût de 111 $ par mois, à tous les usagers de Longueuil, le maire de Montréal veut mettre fin à une dispute qui l’opposait à la Ville de Laval. Depuis 2009, le maire de Laval, Gilles Vaillancourt, refuse de payer sa quote-part à la STM pour l’exploitation du métro en raison des disparités tarifaires.

 

Présentement, les Lon gueuillois qui utilisent seulement le métro doivent débourser 70 $ par mois, contre 111 $ pour les Lavallois. La mairesse de Longueuil, Caroline St-Hilaire, a dit qu’elle suspendait, elle aussi, le paiement de la quote-part due à la STM. «Les tarifs devraient être partout les mêmes, fait valoir M. Parisien. On ne devrait pas découper le métro par zones.»

 

Pour régler le conflit tarifaire entre Laval et Montréal, il aurait fallu que la CAM, qui coûte 70 $, soit acceptée dans les stations de métro de Laval, selon Transport 2000.

 

Oppositions locales

 

«Cette crise ne fait qu’attiser les oppositions locales et braquer les citoyens les uns contre les autres», a ajouté le directeur de Transport 2000. Celui-ci a vu juste puisque Projet Montréal demande au maire de Montréal et à la STM de réduire le nombre de rames qui se rendent à Laval et à Longueuil de moitié tant que les deux villes ne paieront pas leur quote-part.

 

«Les Montréalais paient une part très importante des frais d’opération du métro dans son ensemble, et ce sont eux qui subissent les conséquences de la saturation du métro sur la ligne orange, a indiqué par communiqué le conseiller Alex Norris. Chaque matin sur le Plateau, nos citoyens se butent à des métros pleins à craquer alors qu’eux paient leur part!» Métro a tenté de joindre le bureau de la ministre des Transports Julie Boulet pour savoir si elle comptait intervenir, mais son attaché de presse n’a pas retourné nos appels.

 

http://www.journalmetro.com/linfo/article/445577--fin-de-la-cam-au-metro-longueuil-une-decision-odieuse-selon-transport-2000

 

 

 

 

 

Ça deviendrait vraiment grave!

[Cataclaw]

They're all acting like babies. Seriously.

 

-Everyone shut up and pay your share.

-STM, compromise on the Longueuil fair and increase it slightly and gradually over 5 years, and keep in mind that Longueuil is closer than many Montreal stations and 2x closer than all the Laval stations.

-Don't cut any service to anybody

-And let's get back to living our lives

 

This shit is a waste of time.

[MTLskyline]

 

Mtlskyline, conservateur, utilisateur-payeur devrait être ta doctrine, pourquoi tu pleures quand ça t'affecte?

 

You've been whining for years that Laval users have had to pay more than Longueuil users (if you want me to dig up old posts you made, I will). How is that any different? Laval users should have to pay for Laval's new (over-budget) stations. Think of it as an airport improvement fee.

 

You're also forgetting that it is fairly easy for Laval users to drive to Henri-Bourassa to avoid the $111 charge. Longueuil users don't really have that option. (not to mention that Laval has free parking, Longueuil parking is $130/month)

 

At the moment it looks like Vaillancourt successfully got the STM to charge Longueuil users "airport improvement fees", with no "airport improvement" to speak of! That said, I'll stop whining about the fare increase if Longueuil gets a metro expansion of its own (so Longueuil has 3 stations minimum). In that case it would at least be justified (it would be up to Longueuil users to pay for it). That said, I am not against overall CAM price increases, so as to bring in more revenue.

 

Anyways, in order of precedence for Metro expansion (IMO):

1. Blue line east to Anjou

2. Orange line north to Bois-Franc (but not to Laval yet..)

3. Blue line west to Loyola

4. Longueuil

5. Green line west deeper into LaSalle

5. Close the orange line loop.

[Malek]

I've been whining because we didn't get a fair treatment. I walk to the metro, why should I pay the TRAM3 pass if the freeloaders in Longueuil are paying 60-70$? On top of paying a special tax for the metro?? What the hell, we're not tools.

 

You're all over man, it's Laval faults for AMT's bad budgetization of the extension?? and it's Laval's fault that the stations are new? Are you for real?

 

You never heard of traffic at the Pont Viau?? No obviously, you're just talking your ass off. Going to Henri-Bourassa wasn't easy at all, plus there was never any parking there to begin with.

 

Parking is paying for most Laval users, its 80$ a month plus the 111$ pass, so about the same price as in Longueuil before STMs mess.

 

Your airport improvment you got it 30+ years ago, and been using it for 30 years, stop whinning.

 

All Vaillancourt wanted is the same treatment for those that don't use the bus (like me), the same price as Longueuil. If others are getting it, why not us?

 

Why don't you send your condoloeances to the STM and M. Tremblay? They are getting a really bad press for what 6000 passes at +40$?, that's barely 240k a month, a drop in Montreal's nightmarish hell of a budget.

 

Pick your battles.