rive-sud Pont Samuel-De Champlain

[caribb]

for 5 billion, we want something like this, the first a proposal for Denmark (of course modified for the 3.4km span we need,) the second proposal is for London

 

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I agree, for $5 Billion it better be covered in gold with diamond encrusted road lines and have two 70 story Dubai styled towers holding it all up... I mean seriously... we barely have a road infrastructure that's staying together and they're going to put $5 billion into one bridge?? We're the fools if we let them get away with this.

[Cyrus]

I agree, for $5 Billion it better be covered in gold with diamond encrusted road lines and have two 70 story Dubai styled towers holding it all up... I mean seriously... we barely have a road infrastructure that's staying together and they're going to put $5 billion into one bridge?? We're the fools if we let them get away with this.

 

Where do they even get 5 billion? Montreal is 1.6 million people, the whole region is like what, 3.5 million, it's like every one of us has to pay $1 500 just to build the one bridge and not even sweep the snow and ice off it in the winter. It isn't like we are some two-bit region with no economy so it'll be subsidized by the people in the big city, 'cause that big city is us Throw another $1200/person for Turcot at least and consider all those pissed-off Lavallois and fixie-riding Plateau hipsters that don't even dare to look at either road structure.

 

That said, the bridge is so freaking important to the region it would still be worth it, but it just seems incredibly overpriced. Where is it going, "environmental assessments" and the like? Who needs environmental assessments, already there is a bridge there??

Modifié 15 octobre 2011 par Cyrus

[Charlemagne]

Where do they even get 5 billion? Montreal is 1.6 million people, the whole region is like what, 3.5 million, it's like every one of us has to pay $1 500 just to build the one bridge and not even sweep the snow and ice off it in the winter. It isn't like we are some two-bit region with no economy so it'll be subsidized by the people in the big city, 'cause that big city is us Throw another $1200/person for Turcot at least and consider all those pissed-off Lavallois and fixie-riding Plateau hipsters that don't even dare to look at either road structure.

 

That said, the bridge is so freaking important to the region it would still be worth it, but it just seems incredibly overpriced. Where is it going, "environmental assessments" and the like? Who needs environmental assessments, already there is a bridge there??

Bah justement, c'est pourquoi on est constamment pris à faire du PPP... Harper sait qu'on est dans le trou, dans le bout, c'est pour ça qu'il précise qu'il veut que ce soit en PPP... le privé va payer une part.

Seulement... après, on doit payer ces entreprises privées-là... c'fait qu'on fini par être ceux qui paient de toute manière.

 

J'espère une seconde révolution au Québec.

[jesseps]

 

Quebec is working on a plan to put a train on the new Champlain Bridge, part of a 13-kilometre transit system that would link Longueuil and downtown Montreal.

 

But it’s unclear who would foot the bill – hundreds of millions of dollars – or even if the train will ever be built.

 

The Agence métropolitaine de transport is studying two train options – a light-rail transit system or a higher-capacity automated rapid transit system such as Vancouver’s SkyTrain, AMT president Joël Gauthier told The Gazette.

 

Two weeks ago, Ottawa said a new Champlain should be in service in about 10 years.

 

“We have plenty of time to make sure that we can start from Day One with rail services on the new bridge,” Gauthier said Monday.

 

The current Champlain is a major public-transit corridor. It has three lanes in each direction. At rush hour, buses go against traffic in temporary reserved lanes. Every morning, buses carrying 20,000 people use the Montreal-bound reserved lane.

 

The new Champlain Bridge is to have four lanes in each direction, including one for public transit. Whether those lanes will be used for reserved bus lanes or a train is an open question.

 

Gauthier said the AMT – the arm of Transport Quebec that runs commuter trains – is pushing for a train because it could carry more riders. A 2007 AMT study concluded an LRT would increase public transit ridership along the corridor by 26 per cent.

 

But Gauthier said a decision on the train can come only after the latest study is completed in about a year.

 

The AMT will spend the next 12 months updating the 2007 LRT study. That study looked at a train linking the intersection of Highways 10 and 30 in Longueuil to downtown Montreal. To cross the St. Lawrence River, it would have taken the ice bridge next to the Champlain Bridge.

 

That LRT would have cost $1 billion. It would have run along 13 kilometres, with five stations – two on the South Shore (Chevrier and Panama) and three in Montreal (downtown, Cité du Multimédia and Nuns’ Island). Trains would have run every three minutes at rush hour.

 

Gauthier said the same route is being studied for the train now envisaged.

 

As for its cost, Gauthier said it’s too early to estimate but he noted the previous plan would have required a bridge over the St. Lawrence Seaway that would have cost about $250 million.

 

The train now on the table would be on the new Champlain Bridge, so such a structure across the Seaway would not be required.

 

The federal government says the new Champlain will cost between $3 billion and $5 billion. That estimate did not include public transit.

 

Because transit is a provincial jurisdiction, federal Transport Minister Denis Lebel said it will be up to Quebec and municipalities to decide how to use the transit lanes.

 

Lebel did not say who would pay for the bridge’s transit component.

 

Asked who would foot the bill for a train on a new Champlain, Gauthier said, “I think that’s up in the air.”

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+considers+train+options/5563752/story.html

[Invité]

 

 

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+considers+train+options/5563752/story.html

 

Mon Dieu...je crois rêver...

juste le fait "d'étudier" ce type de pont...wow!!!

[Davidbourque]

bah c'est un pont suspendu en ! et vu que c'est le type de pont aujourd'hui qui coute le moins cher à produire lorsque tu as besoin de hauteurs et de bonne distances entre les poutres, il y a toutes les chances au monde que le pont soit de ce type. mais peux être pas sur toute sa longueur (comme le pont de la 25 par exemple)

 

 

Sinon ce que je retient, c'est qu'on envisage finalement un train automatique ! Wow! arrivé en 2011 les amis !! il était temps.

[Invité]

bah c'est un pont suspendu en ! et vu que c'est le type de pont aujourd'hui qui coute le moins cher à produire lorsque tu as besoin de hauteurs et de bonne distances entre les poutres, il y a toutes les chances au monde que le pont soit de ce type. mais peux être pas sur toute sa longueur (comme le pont de la 25 par exemple)

 

Tu dis ça, mais justement, le pont de la 25...mettons qu'il est le plus banal des ponts à haubans que j'ai vu dans ma vie.

Une de mes plus grandes déceptions des dernières années.

 

Donc quand on me dit qu'on pense à un pont à haubans de CE type...

[Davidbourque]

bah en même temps, il traverse une rivière banale ....

 

 

on fera pas un viaduc de Millau pour traversé un ruisseau la !

 

Tout les ponts sur le St-Laurent sont spectaculaire à partir de Montréal. il en sera de même pour le pont Champlain qui devra aller beaucoup beaucoup plus haut dans les airs que le pont de la 25. Mais je pense quand même qu'il y aura une longue portion "plate" comme sur le pont de la 25.

 

Mais la partie suspendu sera vraiment plus spectaculaire. ça ne sera même pas comparable vu que l'échelle ne sera pas la même.

 

Edit: Je vous entend dire que la Tarn est presque un ruisseau selon nos standard mais bon. C'est une grosse vallée qui faut traversé n'est-ce pas...

Modifié 18 octobre 2011 par Davidbourque

[Monsieur_MA]

Il faut comparer le pont de la 25 au pont Médéric-Martin de l'autoroute 15, plutôt qu'aux ponts Champlain actuel et futur.

Le nouveau pont Champlain sera plus spectaculaire, peu importe son type de structure. Il sera probablement à haubans.

Son look pourrait être dans le pire des cas, qualifié de «beau», mais souhaitons-le spectaculaire.

[Cataclaw]

Cataclaw's Champlain bridge plan:

-Similar individual vehicle capacity (6 lanes or so)

-Add an express bus lane or two

-Add a transit rail line (this is a MUST)

-Toll the bridge

-Toll all the bridges in the Montreal CMA. All of them.

-Toll all Quebec autoroutes in the Montreal CMA. All of them.

-Invest some of that money in maintaining good service on the roads

-Invest the rest of it (which will be most of it) in doubling the Montreal Metro.

 

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