Données et actualités démographiques - Montréal / Montréal métropolitain

[OursNoir]

Don't forget Montreal doesn't have the infrastructures to support much more people.

 

Sewers, water, power grid, landfill, roads, public services. Everyone of those is almost at maximum capacity. If we had an major influx of immigrants or a huge baby boom on the island itself, we'd have to rethink all of the systems the city is running on...

[Né entre les rapides]

L'Ile de Montréal proprement dite accomode des usages consommant beaucoup d'espace et qui dans d'autres villes se retrouvent en banlieue, notamment:

 

- Aéroport international

- Gare de triage principale

- Raffinage de pétrole et industries connexes

- Carrières

- Port maritime et installations connexes

 

 

Je ne dis pas que ces usages devraient être déménagés ailleurs, mais seulement que cela laisse une superficie bien inférieure à 500 km carrés pour les fonctions résidentielles, commerciales, industrielles légères, culture, loisirs et parcs.

 

Le calcul de la densité, pour fins de comparaison avec les autres, doit absolument en tenir compte afin de se faire une juste appréciation de la réalité.

[Maisonneuve]

 

P.S. the dense area of Vancouver is just a tiny portion of greater Vancouver. comparable to our plateau-ville marie.

 

That's true. It's only their downtown peninsula that has the density. The rest of the city is only dense around SkyTrain stations, but not in between.

[jesseps]

Don't forget Montreal doesn't have the infrastructures to support much more people.

 

Sewers, water, power grid, landfill, roads, public services. Everyone of those is almost at maximum capacity. If we had an major influx of immigrants or a huge baby boom on the island itself, we'd have to rethink all of the systems the city is running on...

 

And the city will not pay for upgrades thats for sure.

[Habfanman]

I posted this on SSP a couple of months ago. It's a study from U of T which confirms what I had suspected: that the immigrant mix in Montréal is very different from that of Toronto and Vancouver.

 

Toronto receives most of its immigrants from Asia (70%), the majority are Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan.

 

Vancouver has an even higher % from Asia (80%), the majority of whom are Chinese.

 

Montréal has a much more diverse mix with roughly 30% Asian, 25% European, 25% African (French West Africa, Mahgreb North Africa), the remaining 20% from the Americas (U.S., Central/ South America and Caribbean).

 

Shifts in immigrant origins

 

http://www.urbancentre.utoronto.ca/pdfs/researchbulletins/CUCSRB42-Murdie-Cdn-Immigration3-2008.pdf

The origins of the recent immigrant population in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montréal have shifted dramatically in the last 35 years. Figures 4, 5, and 6 present data from the 2006 census that indicate the origins of the immigrant population living in the three metropolitan areas in 2006 by period of arrival in Canada. The patterns for Toronto and Vancouver are quite similar; Montréal is somewhat different. Figure 7 presents pie graphs showing a more detailed summary of the place of birth of recent immigrants, 2001–2006, for Montréal,Toronto, and Vancouver as well as Canada as a whole.

 

In 2006 in Toronto and Vancouver, the vast majority of immigrants who arrived in Canada before 1961 came from Europe (Toronto: 92 percent; Vancouver: 82 percent). In contrast, less than 20 percent who arrived in these two cities between 1991 and 2006 came from Europe. The reverse pattern is true for Asians, especially in Vancouver. In 2006, about 10 percent of Vancouver’s immigrant population that had arrived before 1961 came from Asia, compared to almost 80 percent of the immigrant population that

arrived between 1991 and 2006. The shift from a predominantly European population to a mainly Asian population began in the 1970s in Toronto, a little earlier in Vancouver. In Vancouver less than 10 percent of the city’s 2006 immigrant population came from any other region of the world. The origins of Toronto’s immigrant population are more varied. Immigration from regions other than Europe and Asia peaked in Toronto in the 1970s, when about 15 percent of the immigrant population that had settled in the city as of 2006 came from the Caribbean, 10 percent from Central and South America, and 5 per cent from Africa. In the succeeding decades, fewer immigrants came from the Caribbean, while the proportion arriving from Central and South America and Africa remained at 10 percent of the 2006 immigrant population or less.

 

The pattern for immigrants who were living in Montréal in 2006 is more diverse than that of Toronto or Vancouver (Figure 6). As with the other cities, the vast majority (90 percent) of immigrants living in Montréal in 2006 who had arrived before 1961 came from Europe, but only 20 percent of Montréal’s 2006 immigrant population who arrived between 1991 and 2006 came from Europe. Although most of the immigrants who arrived in this period came from Asia, the percentage of total immigrants from Asian countries (36 percent) is not nearly as high as Toronto (66 percent) or Vancouver (79 percent). Instead, Montréal attracted a higher percentage of immigrants from Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Africa than either Toronto or Vancouver. In particular, the proportion of African immigrants in the 2006 immigrant population increased dramatically, from 10 percent who arrived in the 1980s to over 20 percent of those arriving between 1991 and 2006. Montréal attracts immigrants from francophone countries and former French colonies in the Caribbean (Haiti), Northern Africa (Algeria and Morocco), and the Middle East (Lebanon). In part, this pattern reflects the fact that the Québec government can select its own economic-class immigrants and some refugees (Rose et al.2006:4).

 

Toronto

Vancouver

Montréal

[Maisonneuve]

Very true. Montreal is more diverse that people give it credit for. All those Quebec media outlets should realize this and start hiring more reporters and anchors of colour, instead of opting for a token Haitian woman doing the weather. Also, the Montreal and Quebec's political system should reflect this diversity, but it doesn't. So should the civil service.

 

Toronto is an extremely diverse city. (it shows in their media personalities by the way. However, Toronto city council in very white with only one visible minority - strange).

 

Vancouver often gets put in the same bracket as Toronto in terms of diversity, but it's not as diverse as Montreal. Vancouver might have a similar foreign born visible minority percentage as Toronto, but in terms of diversity of cultural groups, it's not in Toronto or even Montreal's level. Vancouver has a lot of Asians and South East Asians and not much else. Montreal has a lot more cultural communities.

[monctezuma]

Ça brise le stéréotype de Hindieronto, Hongkouver et Maghréal.

 

Ce n'est pas une majorité d'Indiens à Toronto

Ce n'est pas une majorité de HongKongnais à Vancouver

 

Et c'est loin d'être une majorité de Maghrébains à Montréal

 

 

Autre fait intéressant : on est la seule ville où le nombre d'européens est en hausse.

[Habsfan]

Thank you for sharing this! Very interesting!

[steve_36]

Autre fait intéressant : on est la seule ville où le nombre d'européens est en hausse.

 

J'ose m'avancer en disant que c'est probablement due aux nombreux français mais aussi aux roumains et jusqu'à un certain point, les russes !!!

 

Mais il est vrai que la diversité est plus frappante à Montréal. Diversité au sens large et non au sens reducteur de la visibilité.

[francely57]

Ça brise le stéréotype de Hindieronto, Hongkouver et Maghréal.

 

Ce n'est pas une majorité d'Indiens à Toronto

Ce n'est pas une majorité de HongKongnais à Vancouver

 

Et c'est loin d'être une majorité de Maghrébains à Montréal

C'est sûr que c'est pas des majorités, mais ça n'empêche pas que

- le grand Hindieronto a plus de 700 000 "Sud-Asiatiques" (et 500 000 "Chinois")

- le grand Hongkouver a plus de 400 000 "Chinois"

- le grand Mahgréal a plus de 100 000 "Arabes"

 

Personnellement je trouve le stéréotype très intéressant, parce qu'il donne l'impression que les 3 métropoles canadiennes se spécialisent à attirer des populations différentes, et qu'ainsi elles ne se nuisent pas entre elles dans l'effort d'attirer des immigrants qualifiés.

(en termes niaiseux, c'est comme si Montréal disait à Toronto : OK je te laisse les Pakistanais, mais toi touche pas aux Latino-Américains)

Alors que dans certains aspects, comme les sièges sociaux, le tétage d'argent du fédéral, etc. ...

 

 

 

 

I posted this on SSP a couple of months ago. It's a study from U of T which confirms what I had suspected: that the immigrant mix in Montréal is very different from that of Toronto and Vancouver.

 

Toronto receives most of its immigrants from Asia (70%), the majority are Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan.

 

Vancouver has an even higher % from Asia (80%), the majority of whom are Chinese.

 

Montréal has a much more diverse mix with roughly 30% Asian, 25% European, 25% African (French West Africa, Mahgreb North Africa), the remaining 20% from the Americas (U.S., Central/ South America and Caribbean).

Put this way, Montreal might seem to have a more diverse mix.

 

But Toronto is still much more diverse than Montreal because:

 

1- Toronto's immigration is more representative of the world (60+% of the world is Asian)

2- India and China have hundreds of ethnic groups + cultures + languages, so they are more comparable to entire continents like Europe or South America

Modifié 28 avril 2010 par francely57