montréal Échangeur Turcot

[rosey12387]

If there is a way to increase the number of lanes in the city’s plan I think it would be great, but that’s a big if.

 

It would still allow for development of the area by the canal (although on a smaller piece of land) but would also allow for the development of the area around the falaise, which I think is more important than people realize. Developing the area around the falaise will have huge impacts for Ville Saint-Pierre, southern Montreal West and especially the enclave of NDG at the top of the falaise blocked to its north by the train tracks. (The area runs from about Brock in Montreal West all the way to Decarie --some refer to it as St- Raymond). It’s by no means a small area and the subsequent redevelopment of St-Jacques would be more than welcome.

 

The other thing with opting for development near the falaise along with on the canal as opposed to a larger development near the canal is if you look at an aerial view of the canal from end to end you’ll see that there is still tons of industrial land that could eventually be converted into residential. That being said, keeping scarcity in mind, it makes for development near a geographic feature like a cliff much more intriguing than a larger development near the canal which there could be many of for the coming decades.

 

I also like the city's idea of finding creative uses for the areas under the overpasses. http://www.montreal2025.com/pdf/Turcot_medias.pdf

[pedepy]

Ni Laval, ni Lasalle ni Montréal, n'ont les moyens, il s'agit ici d'équipements payés par la province... (un autre débat).

 

moyens ou pas, les plans ne sont pas pour raccorder lasalle ou le nord-est au reseau du metro - maiils le sos nt, etrangement, pour laval. on peut donc en conclure que le jour ou les fonds seront alloues, c'est la que les prochaines extentions iron - ce qui est ridicule.

 

oui c'est un autre debat mais ca s'inscrit un peu dans le meme sujet du fait que, comme avec les maudites places de stationnements sur le plateau, si projet mtl veux limiter l'offre aux automobiles alors ils doivent du meme coup ameliorer les alternatives.

 

si on en viens a avoir que pratiquement des convois de marchandises qui circulent dans l'echangeur en pointe, sa capacite reduite (par apport a la demande actuelle) pourrais alors etre tout a fait suffisante.

 

(moi je dis tant qu'a y etre on garde une forte capacite a l'echangeur ET on augmente les TECs mais ce genre de pensee dualiste me fait parfois passer pour un extra terrestre .. alors ecoutez moi pas trop..)

[WestAust]

It would still allow for development of the area by the canal (although on a smaller piece of land) but would also allow for the development of the area around the falaise, which I think is more important than people realize. Developing the area around the falaise will have huge impacts for Ville Saint-Pierre, southern Montreal West and especially the enclave of NDG at the top of the falaise blocked to its north by the train tracks. (The area runs from about Brock in Montreal West all the way to Decarie --some refer to it as St- Raymond). It’s by no means a small area and the subsequent redevelopment of St-Jacques would be more than welcome.

 

It would change almost nothing for the area above the falaise, since there would not be more connections to below the falaise, from the Montreal plan, the only connection is still at the same place on st-jacques where is is actually.

[Malek]

If there is a way to increase the number of lanes in the city’s plan I think it would be great, but that’s a big if.

 

It would still allow for development of the area by the canal (although on a smaller piece of land) but would also allow for the development of the area around the falaise, which I think is more important than people realize. Developing the area around the falaise will have huge impacts for Ville Saint-Pierre, southern Montreal West and especially the enclave of NDG at the top of the falaise blocked to its north by the train tracks. (The area runs from about Brock in Montreal West all the way to Decarie --some refer to it as St- Raymond). It’s by no means a small area and the subsequent redevelopment of St-Jacques would be more than welcome.

 

The other thing with opting for development near the falaise along with on the canal as opposed to a larger development near the canal is if you look at an aerial view of the canal from end to end you’ll see that there is still tons of industrial land that could eventually be converted into residential. That being said, keeping scarcity in mind, it makes for development near a geographic feature like a cliff much more intriguing than a larger development near the canal which there could be many of for the coming decades.

 

I also like the city's idea of finding creative uses for the areas under the overpasses. http://www.montreal2025.com/pdf/Turcot_medias.pdf

 

Even if that Montreal project had the same capacity, 18 lanes, it would still cost a couple of billions more (the price of a mega hospital or two none the less!!)...

 

MTQ would still have to rebuilt temporary configuration of lanes that would need to be demolished at the end, that wont be free.

 

I think with proper city incentives, those old industry could move elsewhere to industrial parks opening up what could be one of the best residential area in Montreal.

 

As for using wasted space under highways, this is nothing new and I'm wondering why the city isn't already doing anything about it with the Met and other elevated highways around Montreal... it's cool all these ideas but you wonder if they're only candies to sell a controversial project, these same ideas were never ever proposed in the past by anyone at the city:rolleyes:

[Malek]

(moi je dis tant qu'a y etre on garde une forte capacite a l'echangeur ET on augmente les TECs mais ce genre de pensee dualiste me fait parfois passer pour un extra terrestre .. alors ecoutez moi pas trop..)

 

Tu vois, un maire plus stratège (et plus intelligent), aurait exigé un montant égal dollar pour dollar sur la même durée que la construction Turcot pour des prolongements de métro-train de banlieue.

 

Un 2-2.5 milliards en métro, ça fait quelques extensions pas mal intéressantes.

 

Ben non, le maire est pris en otage par de idéologues qui ne voient rien d'autre que le pot d'échapement d'une auto.

[rosey12387]

It would change almost nothing for the area above the falaise, since there would not be more connections to below the falaise, from the Montreal plan, the only connection is still at the same place on st-jacques where is is actually.

 

In terms of street connection it wouldn’t change anything but that’s not what I was referring to. Dedicating several smallish pieces of land on the southern part of Saint-Jacques as part of the park (which the city plan seems to imply) and then building stairs down would make the park accessible to people on the top portion of the falaise. The attraction of a nearby urban park as opposed to a hill full of trash and a huge urban wasteland could then certainly spark development on Saint Jacques in places like the lot for development at the corner of Cavendish and the Motel Raphael site which is currently in disarray.

 

Furthermore, an additional road connection wouldn't be necessary anyways as Pullman would be a perfectly acceptable way of getting to the park/new residential area from nearby by car or bus. Pullman just has no appeal at the moment for area residents as all it is now is a faster way to get to the Angrignon mall.

 

Even if that Montreal project had the same capacity, 18 lanes, it would still cost a couple of billions more (the price of a mega hospital or two none the less!!)...

 

But how much of that added cost is value-added. I think we need a much more comprehensive breakdown of the costs of the new plan before we can conclusively judge its supposed expense.

Modifié 23 avril 2010 par rosey12387

[Malek]

And another study to establish the lost in economic competitivity of the city center to its suburbs if not out of city altogether.

[Né entre les rapides]

Si jamais Tremblay, à force d'insister, obtenait une promesse que sa Mercedes-Turcot lui serait livrée vers l'an 2022, il devra en contrepartie renoncer à tous les autres jouets dont il rêve, dont les tramways. Et la Dame (Notre-Dame) devra se contenter de ses vieux vêtements usés et percés pour longtemps encore.

 

Mais le plus ironique et le plus triste dans l'affaire, c'est qu'il court la chance (comme au casino) de tout perdre, si des événements imprévus (mais pas absolument improbables) forçaient entretemps la mise en oeuvre de mesures d'urgence faisant fi de toutes considérations esthétiques, quoique fort coûteuses directement et indirectement.

 

Qui est prêt à prendre ce risque?

[Malek]

Qui est prêt à prendre ce risque?

 

Projet Faillite Montréal.

[Malek]

Soit dit en passant...

 

Projet Faillite Montréal sont passés de démantleurs et de déstructeurs d'autoroutes (voir BAPE), à des designers de carrefours autoroutiers lol

 

La réalité les ratrappent?