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For sure, I just hope they get around to doing it.

 

 

I wouldn't count on it!

 

Think about it! Let's say that they were to redo the Metropolitan from highway 13 all the way to highway 25. We are talking about 18-19 KM's of the most important highway in the Province. a highway that gets well over 200,000 cars per day.

 

It would cause nightmares for motorists in the city, not to mention the price tag attached to a project such as this. First of all, we would have to demolish the current elevated structure and rebuild it on the ground.(with some sections underground) We would then have to widen the highway, from 3 to 4 and maybe even 5 lanes in each direction...if there's enough room!? Then lastly, we would have to redirect almost a quarter million cars everyday away from this area!

 

Not an easy or cheap task. My estimate would be in the neighborhood of 5 Billion$ and about 6 to 8 years of contruction nightmares!

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Some professor at an university had a plan for the metropolitan.

 

He suggested to dig a tunne between the two fifteens, the tunnel could be used by those who only want to remain on the 15.

 

The remaining stretch would be used by people taking the 40 or those who want to take an exit.

 

The tunnel could be digged not harming the traffic.

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Some professor at an university had a plan for the metropolitan.

 

He suggested to dig a tunne between the two fifteens, the tunnel could be used by those who only want to remain on the 15.

 

The remaining stretch would be used by people taking the 40 or those who want to take an exit.

 

The tunnel could be digged not harming the traffic.

 

Sounds like the big dig in Chicago or Boston, and that did not work out well. I don't trust the overpasses in this province, so why should i trust people building and designing tunnels, but thats me.

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I wouldn't count on it!

 

Think about it! Let's say that they were to redo the Metropolitan from highway 13 all the way to highway 25. We are talking about 18-19 KM's of the most important highway in the Province. a highway that gets well over 200,000 cars per day.

 

It would cause nightmares for motorists in the city, not to mention the price tag attached to a project such as this. First of all, we would have to demolish the current elevated structure and rebuild it on the ground.(with some sections underground) We would then have to widen the highway, from 3 to 4 and maybe even 5 lanes in each direction...if there's enough room!? Then lastly, we would have to redirect almost a quarter million cars everyday away from this area!

 

Not an easy or cheap task. My estimate would be in the neighborhood of 5 Billion$ and about 6 to 8 years of contruction nightmares!

 

When the MET starts falling on top of people, that will not be a pretty site. Plus who the hell came up with the idea of a raised roadway?

 

Plus people who ran the government back in the 50's and 60's must of had really bad people planning this shit out.

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Some professor at an university had a plan for the metropolitan.

 

He suggested to dig a tunne between the two fifteens, the tunnel could be used by those who only want to remain on the 15.

 

The remaining stretch would be used by people taking the 40 or those who want to take an exit.

 

The tunnel could be digged not harming the traffic.

 

Anyway you could find out who exactly proposed this? Also, I'd like to see this proposal. it sounds interesting!

 

Sounds like the big dig in Chicago or Boston, and that did not work out well.

 

On the contrary, the Big Dig turned out fine. It's doing it's job very well. The only problem with the Big DIg were the cost overruns!

 

Plus who the hell came up with the idea of a raised roadway?

 

Actually, elevated highways were almost the norm back in the 50's and 60's. Engineers came up with this horrible idea of highways in the sky. Take a look at Boston(where the Big Dig used to be) they tore down the elevated highway there. Have you ever been to New-Jersey? You'll find plenty of examples of elevated highways there! The Gardiner expressway in Toronto is another example of this!

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when you cross a city, its better to build high in the sky to keep noise level low at street level, plus its easier to cross all the streets beneath, than to build 29032 overpasses over the highway.

 

People walking wouldn't have to climb those overpasses.

 

but in practice, people stop walking from one part of the city to the other when there's an elevated highway.

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Problem with an elevated highway is that it creates some sort of no man's land under it, especially at night, and whether you like it or not, it creates a separation between both sides, just like an excavated highway like decarie does, best thing is a tunnel, but much more expensive.

 

Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was a problem with making the met a tunnel, as at some point there is one of the main sanitary collector passing there, and you can't really reroute or put it deeper without major major work (if that is doable at all)

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Un ambitieux projet de parc à l’ombre de l’échangeur Turcot

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La Société de développement du lac à la Loutre souhaite profiter de la reconstruction de l’échangeur Turcot pour revitaliser le vaste terrain vague qui le jouxte à l’ouest. Le projet impliquerait le détournement des voies ferrées du CN, ce qui pourrait transformer radicalement le transport ferroviaire dans l’île de Montréal.

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François Cardinal

La Presse

Une coalition de gens d’affaires souhaite transformer radicalement le transport ferroviaire dans l’île de Montréal. Forte de son influence auprès du gouvernement conservateur, elle travaille dans les coulisses pour qu’Ottawa profite de la démolition prochaine de l’échangeur Turcot et exige que le CN évite de passer par ce secteur.

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La demande préfigure un véritable bouleversement : il s’agit du plus important corridor ferroviaire du CN en Amérique du Nord.

 

Selon ce qu’a appris La Presse, les promoteurs du projet de parc Lac-à-la-Loutre, dont les candidats conservateurs défaits Jean Fortier et Allen McKenzie, ont écrit au ministre des Transports, Lawrence Cannon, la semaine dernière.

 

Ils demandent que le fédéral amorce dans les plus brefs délais les pourparlers avec le Canadien National (CN) pour que cette transformation précède les travaux de reconstruction de l’échangeur Turcot, qui doivent débuter en 2009.

 

Cette requête fait partie d’un projet plus vaste appelé Lac-à-la-Loutre, du nom du plan d’eau qui se trouvait sur les lieux jusqu’au XIXe siècle. Connu depuis quelque temps, le vaste projet récréo-touristique comprendrait un parc, un centre de recherche biomédicale, un musée, un stade, des commerces, des résidences et, évidemment, le futur hôpital universitaire McGill (voir autre texte).

 

L’idée est de profiter de la restructuration prochaine de l’échangeur Turcot (2009 à 2015) pour aménager de manière durable les quelque 100 hectares de terrain qui le jouxtent vers l’ouest.

 

«À l’heure actuelle, le CN occupe deux voies ferrées dans le secteur, rappelle Jean Fortier, ancien homme fort de l’administration Bourque. Selon nos informations, il en réclame jusqu’à huit entre l’autoroute (20) et la falaise (Saint-Pierre). Or on devrait aller plutôt dans le sens inverse et abolir le transport de marchandises dans ce secteur.»

 

Pour y parvenir, la Société de développement du lac à la Loutre propose que le corridor ferroviaire actuel, qui traverse le centre-ville puis le fleuve par le pont Victoria, emprunte à l’avenir le pont Mercier, plus à l’ouest.

 

«Québec fait actuellement des acrobaties pour que le train passe à distance réglementaire du futur hôpital, note M. Fortier. En plus, il faudra faire des pieds et des mains pour éviter que le CN n’amène ses trains de marchandises près des sites de démolition du chantier Turcot. Pourquoi ne pas en profiter pour réorienter le trafic afin qu’il évite dorénavant les quartiers populaires et le centre-ville?»

 

Plus encore, on suggère d’électrifier la ligne de train de banlieue qui passe actuellement par le pont Victoria (il s’agit de la ligne Saint-Bruno, qui carbure au diesel). Ce faisant, il serait possible de joindre cette ligne à celle, électrifiée, qui mène à Deux-Montagnes. On réduirait ainsi les émissions de gaz à effet de serre tout en améliorant la desserte en transport en commun de banlieue à banlieue.

 

Au CN, on ferme la porte de manière diplomatique à ce projet. «Il s’agit du principal lien ferroviaire entre l’est et l’ouest du Canada, note la porte-parole Julie Senécal. Cette donnée détermine la position du CN.»

 

Mme Senécal précise d’ailleurs que tous les clients montréalais de l’entreprise profitent de ce corridor à l’heure actuelle, le seul à permettre aux trains de manœuvre de distribuer les marchandises sur l’île. Elle ajoute qu’une entente a été signée avec le MTQ pour «préserver» la capacité ferroviaire sur huit voies en cas d’expansion du réseau de trains de banlieue, par exemple.

 

«Enlever les voies, cela signifierait-il qu’il faudrait arrêter de desservir par train toutes les entreprises de Montréal?» s’interroge-t-elle.

 

Le cabinet de M. Cannon n’a pas rappelé La Presse et la Ville de Montréal n’a pas voulu commenter.

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what they need to do to make this city #1 is:

- cover the Decarie Expressway - on top a succession of squares, fountains, plazas, and a dedicated tramway line linking Vendome Metro to Boisbriands + of course a bike path. Can you imagine what that would do to revitalize and revamp this whole area?

- replace the MET with a tunnel between Decarie and the 25 for cars/trucks bypassing the city - people would pay to use the tunnel. Above, a regular boulevard with plenty of greenspace, bikepath, a dedicated tramway line connecting to the Decarie Tramway mentioned above heading out to Gallerie d'Anjou.

- Highway 25 is already below grade level and could also be covered to make way for a green park up above, which could have a bike path, and make it's way to meet with Notre-Dame.

- Notre Dame - again, forget the Gerald Tremblay's vision (He has NO vision!!!) of making the Notre Dame into an 'Urban Boulevard') Quebec was willing and wanting to make this stretch underground to connect to the Ville Marie Expressway. And so it should. Hence, above would be green space. Put a tram on Ste-Catherine between Viau and Papineau. Try to create some 'windows' onto the St-Lawrence river amongst the rubble of the Port of Montreal.

- Between the Port of Montreal and East of Boucherville - build a bridge linking Highway 30 to the island of Montreal. Mostly dedicated to truck and container traffic so that trucks can no longer use Champlain, Jacques Cartier bridges. This bridge should be built by the St-Lawrence Seaway authority for having ripped us off in the first place by extending ship traffic into the great lakes... The Feds should cough up the bucks on this one.

-Turcot yards to downtown should also be sunken underground to complete the green belt.

 

This scenario costs lots of money - but imagine the quality of life we are offering ourselves for generations to come.

The savings in having to clear for snow removal in the winters. And creating a green belt around the core of Montreal for easy travelling by foot, bike, tram, and why not cross country ski in the winter.

Property values would rise all around this belt.

 

Vote for me!!! This city will be amazing!

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