montréal REM de l'Est

[Exposteve]

1 hour ago, p_xavier said:

10G$? The highest amount was 1G$. I mean at 10G$ you just bury the whole thing.

I am sorry, yes - it's $1B for the park and bike paths under the REM.  

[Spiter_01]

1 hour ago, Rocco said:

Sorry but whatever everyone says, this is giving me MET vibe. Its huge, its heavy, its nothing "aerial". Secundo, they are reducing R-L for cars on the north side, and its becoming a street as small as Bleury. Really??? Traffic nightmare 24/7!!? And third, they are giving us a debarcadère to nowhere in front of Complexe Desjardins, forever blocking the axis of Jeanne-Mance to the south. CRAZY. And how do u bet the city of Montreal responsible for the new parkline and ground premises will not be able to deliver everything on time, so we will get stuck with a chantier under the REM for decades since CDPQ only builds the structure and MTL is stuck to redevelop the grounds?!? Receipe for disaster.

The whole cutting off the southern section Jeanne-Mance has been brought up before and frankly I just don't think it's an issue. It's a portion of street that isn't used by anyone besides the cars that are exiting the parking lot inside Guy-Favreau, just reverse the one way down to Viger. 

[Doctor D]

11 hours ago, Rocco said:

Its gonna be crazy awful on René-Lévesque. The whole boulevard will disappear and become a park under a huge concrete structure with bike path. The benches in front of Maison du Père in the second to last pic (wtf!!) will be literate with homeless people. And the station at Saint-Urbain is giving me shivers. The structure is gonna be huge. Its literally a Met downtown. CRAZY.

WHat's with the bike path? There's one two blocks away on De Maisonneuve. Why lose another lane on RL?

[mtt]

22 minutes ago, Doctor D said:

WHat's with the bike path? There's one two blocks away on De Maisonneuve. Why lose another lane on RL?

Why R-L for cars? there's Viger and Saint-Antoine two blocks away, and Ste-Catherine, and Maisonneuve, and Ontario, and the 720..They are also not removing all car circulation, just cutting the number of lanes.

On a more serious note, I live near Radio-Canada and work downtown near R-L/Robert-Bourassa, take the bus on R-L morning and evening and there is really not enough traffic to justify 8 lanes for cars. Also, the goal of the REM is to reduce car dependency so it just make sense to remove lanes to further incentivise public/active transportation. Also, they did say they did a traffic analysis with the city and that the removal of lanes won't have a huge impact on traffic.

Modifié 9 mars 2022 par mtt

[Exposteve]

9 minutes ago, mtt said:

Why R-L for cars? there's Viger and Saint-Antoine two blocks away, and Ste-Catherine, and Maisonneuve, and Ontario, and the 720..They are also not removing all car circulation, just cutting the number of lanes.

On a more serious note, I live near Radio-Canada and work downtown near R-L/Robert-Bourassa, take the bus on R-L morning and evening and there is really not enough traffic to justify 8 lanes for cars. Also, the goal of the REM is to reduce car dependency so it just make sense to remove lanes to further incentivise public/active transportation. Also, they did say they did a traffic analysis with the city and that the removal of lanes won't have a huge impact on traffic.

Rene-Levesque is the only wide boulevard in the sector with that many lanes and it's important to have at least one boulevard like that running through the downtown.  While at any given moment (especially with so many people currently working from home) it may seem like too much capacity, it gets jammed up pretty good at rush hour in the evening especially, and it's used as an entry/exit route for events taking place downtown.  I agree you don't want 8 lanes often downtown (and you could argue R-L is 6 at best in most places) but it's reasonable to have one such boulevard east-west.  

[mtt]

7 minutes ago, Exposteve said:

Rene-Levesque is the only wide boulevard in the sector with that many lanes and it's important to have at least one boulevard like that running through the downtown.  While at any given moment (especially with so many people currently working from home) it may seem like too much capacity, it gets jammed up pretty good at rush hour in the evening especially, and it's used as an entry/exit route for events taking place downtown.  I agree you don't want 8 lanes often downtown (and you could argue R-L is 6 at best in most places) but it's reasonable to have one such boulevard east-west.  

I do count the parking on each side as car lanes as they eat up space for pedestrians and cyclists and are strictly dedicated to cars.

I guess we have a different vision of the city. I think we should steer clear of car usage, especially for places like Downtown  Montreal where transit is so easily accessible. Even more in the context of climate change. And with the high frequency rail system of the REM (both de l'Ouest and Est) and its coverage area, there won't be any real good reason to take a car to go downtown for the vast majority of people of the CMM. 

Modifié 9 mars 2022 par mtt

[monctezuma]

Il y a 9 heures, mcgill101 a dit :

How can we fathom eliminating 4 lanes of traffic on one of the city's main thoroughfares? The impact on traffic will be disastrous. The more we focus on the architectural elements and urban integration of this project, the further away we get from (what I see as) one of the main issues with this project: we are allowing the private sector to completely disfigure a significant portion of our downtown core without any reliable data showing that it will improve mobility or reduce greenhouse gas emissions (and I would argue that even if it were to achieve those goals in any meaningful way, a 20m high concrete structure passing through downtown is hardly an acceptable reality). 

100%

 

+ how will you go East ?

Sherbrooke is an option. Maisonneuve is going West. Sainte-Catherine is closed half of the year, René-Lévesque will be closed. So in other words, the only way for cars to go East will be either Sherbrooke or Saint-Antoine ?

And no option will exist between these 2 street to allow people, trucks, emergency vehicles to drive East... ?

[mtt]

3 minutes ago, monctezuma said:

100%

 

+ how will you go East ?

Sherbrooke is an option. Maisonneuve is going West. Sainte-Catherine is closed half of the year, René-Lévesque will be closed. So in other words, the only way for cars to go East will be either Sherbrooke or Saint-Antoine ?

And no option will exist between these 2 street to allow people, trucks, emergency vehicles to drive East... 

Mmm you do realize that there will still be 4 car lanes on R-L, probably 2 in each direction right?

Modifié 10 mars 2022 par mtt

[Spiter_01]

33 minutes ago, mtt said:

Mmm you do realize that there will still be 4 car lanes on R-L, probably 2 in each direction right?

You should know better than most that the current configuration of RL is already jammed up by cars trying to turn in either direction this won't make it any better. Although the vehicle traffic is relatively low, the left and right turning traffic is an absolute nightmare.

[mashdash]

I do not understand the worry with car traffic on this forum. People will be using other modes of transport into the city when the REM de l'Est opens, and taking away cars doesn't increase traffic, it decreases it, and it's been proven time and time again. Less people on René-Lévesque would mean more cars on other streets, but overall in a more spread out area, and put less pressure on one street in the city and surrounding area. 

Sources:

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/4/18/mr-go

https://www.pps.org/article/livememtraffic