saint-laurent Station Côte-de-Liesse (A40) - Discussion

[AMTFan1]

Article dans The Gazette ce matin: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/caisses-stake-in-a40-rem-station-troubling-probe-finds?fbclid=IwAR3Wo6et1_1nun40Dor0ngPe0YZ1bf4OCXJSYesNFIpdihamzDBkAeIHUmQ

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Caisse’s stake in A40 REM station troubling, probe finds

The future A40 station of the Réseau express métropolitain will rise on a site where its builder, the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec, lost money in a multi-million-dollar real estate boondoggle it tried to conceal in the mid-1990s.

 

[Decel]

il y a 29 minutes, AMTFan1 a dit :

Article dans The Gazette ce matin: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/caisses-stake-in-a40-rem-station-troubling-probe-finds?fbclid=IwAR3Wo6et1_1nun40Dor0ngPe0YZ1bf4OCXJSYesNFIpdihamzDBkAeIHUmQ

 

 

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The Caisse plans the new stop as a transfer point for passengers on the Mascouche commuter train line, but the experts say the transfer can be done without adding a station.

Je n'arrive pas à trouver la section ou ils expliquent comment transférer sans ajouter de station...

[begratto]

Et je ne vois pas trop c'est quoi le problème si la CDPQ favorise le développement immobilier le long de la ligne.  Ça profite aux québécois de toute façon.

[paulwillyjean]

1 hour ago, Decel said:

 

Je n'arrive pas à trouver la section ou ils expliquent comment transférer sans ajouter de station...

J'imagine qu'ils feraient descendre la ligne Mascouche jusqu'à la gare Mont-Royal. Il faudrait triple-tracker les voies sur une plus longue distance, mais c'est vrai que les stations Montpellier et A-40 sont très, très proches.

Modifié 23 septembre 2019 par paulwillyjean

[mk.ndrsn]

À environ 700 m ce n’est pas hors de l’ordinaire, surtout que le secteur a beaucoup de potentiel, contrairement à Île-Bigras.

[go_habs_go]

2 hours ago, AMTFan1 said:

Article dans The Gazette ce matin: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/caisses-stake-in-a40-rem-station-troubling-probe-finds?fbclid=IwAR3Wo6et1_1nun40Dor0ngPe0YZ1bf4OCXJSYesNFIpdihamzDBkAeIHUmQ

 

Good report by The Gazette. While I believe that development in that area ultimately makes sense, it's still important to know some of the background behind the decisions the Caisse is making with our money. The article also raises a good point about the selection for some of the West-end stops. Why no station at the corner of St-Charles? There is plenty of space there for a station.

[Decel]

il y a 53 minutes, paulwillyjean a dit :

J'imagine qu'ils feraient descendre la ligne Mascouche jusqu'à la gare Mont-Royal. Il faudrait triple-tracker les voies sur une plus longue distance, mais c'est vrai que les stations Montpellier et A-40 sont très, très proches.

C'est beau d'avoir 3 voies, mais même sur le dessin il n'y a plus d'espace pour ajouter la voie supplémentaire dès qu'on arrive au sud de la 40.

"Je sais comment on aurait pu éviter une autre station superflu!" sans un mot sur la solution? Pas fort comme article...

[mk.ndrsn]

il y a 35 minutes, go_habs_go a dit :

Why no station at the corner of St-Charles? There is plenty of space there for a station.

Likely that the projected ridership wouldn’t justify it. Sure Saint-Charles sees a huge debit of vehicles, but that has a lot to do with the configuration of the west island, Saint-Charles being one of very few north-south links, and the proportion of car only commuters. Pointe-Claire city center transit hub could suffice for a couple of decades. The way the west branch is built, it doesn’t seem impossible to see additional stations in the long run, so it’s kind of inconsequential that no Saint-Charles or des Sources stations are planned for the foreseeable future, especially since the high priority given to this branch is questionable (vs say the orange-west, yellow and pink line).

[amaist]

2 hours ago, paulwillyjean said:

J'imagine qu'ils feraient descendre la ligne Mascouche jusqu'à la gare Mont-Royal. Il faudrait triple-tracker les voies sur une plus longue distance, mais c'est vrai que les stations Montpellier et A-40 sont très, très proches.

 

1. Adding a 3rd rail through TMR/VMR is tricky at best. Crossing under the Met, space available, residential expropriation, etc. etc.

2. On the drawing you see the additional tracks that will store the trains of the Mascouche line. There is absolutely no room past the Mont-Royal station to do that. Not unless you want to destroy the town.

In general, I don't understand why there would be much concern about the Caisse benefiting from the real estate development. They were always up front about this type of potential benefit. That was actually one of the selling points of the whole system. In the end it benefits all residents of Quebec.  It's not like the investment benefits will only go to pay for some guys yacht and cosmetic surgery. I suppose we could also dig for the monetary motivations for articles like this and the funding for some of those "experts". Maybe someone else is trying to pay for their yacht but REM will make their holdings not as attractive. Or they could just be trying to draw attention to themselves. Being quoted in a newspaper makes one a bigger "expert" in the field. And the newspaper makes money from advertising. If we read the article then they get more views and more ad revenue. An article that stirs the pot and gets an emotional response in either direction is a win for the paper. The facts and context are not even a secondary consideration here.

[paulwillyjean]

2 minutes ago, amaist said:

 

1. Adding a 3rd rail through TMR/VMR is tricky at best. Crossing under the Met, space available, residential expropriation, etc. etc.

2. On the drawing you see the additional tracks that will store the trains of the Mascouche line. There is absolutely no room past the Mont-Royal station to do that. Not unless you want to destroy the town.

In general, I don't understand why there would be much concern about the Caisse benefiting from the real estate development. They were always up front about this type of potential benefit. That was actually one of the selling points of the whole system. In the end it benefits all residents of Quebec.  It's not like the investment benefits will only go to pay for some guys yacht and cosmetic surgery. I suppose we could also dig for the monetary motivations for articles like this and the funding for some of those "experts". Maybe someone else is trying to pay for their yacht but REM will make their holdings not as attractive. Or they could just be trying to draw attention to themselves. Being quoted in a newspaper makes one a bigger "expert" in the field. And the newspaper makes money from advertising. If we read the article then they get more views and more ad revenue. An article that stirs the pot and gets an emotional response in either direction is a win for the paper. The facts and context are not even a secondary consideration here.

Je ne dis pas que c'est la proposition idéale. Je suggérais que c'était possiblement l'une des idées qu'ils avaient en tête en proposant de ne pas créer cette station, vu que que la ligne ne peux pas remonter en direction nord vers Montpellier.