montréal Infrastructures municipales - Discussion générale

[Né entre les rapides]

il y a 49 minutes, Lydgate a dit :

Je ne pense pas que c'est de la fonte, mais plutôt de l'acier corten.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acier_Corten

Ce n'est pas pour la rue Peel, mais j'ai trouvé mention de ce choix dans ce rapport sur le réaménagement de la Place Simon-Valois

https://designmontreal.com/sites/designmontreal.com/files/rapport_de_jury_-_simon-valois.pdf

They're trying to go for a trendy industrial look basically

A fine analysis.

[marco]

La bande centrale style "dos d'âne" va se raire arracher à la première tempête de neige, évidemment elle ne sera pas réparée par la ville, erreur de conception.

[Rocco]

Ils ont fait 4 places de stationnement et faut maintenant les contourner en zig zag. D'un ridicule.

[go_habs_go]

22 hours ago, Rocco said:

Ils ont fait 4 places de stationnement et faut maintenant les contourner en zig zag. D'un ridicule.

Yeah that'll work well in winter when the lines are covered in snow and ice. It's like we forget we need to design road markings to work in both summer AND winter. ALLOOOOO??

[amaist]

On 2021-08-30 at 2:38 PM, go_habs_go said:

Yeah that'll work well in winter when the lines are covered in snow and ice. It's like we forget we need to design road markings to work in both summer AND winter. ALLOOOOO??

It's all useless anyway. A big proportion of drivers consider signs and road markings as no more than decorations. Zero informational value in all seasons to them. 

Any painted line will get covered by snow. Overhead signs can help. Another solution is raised curbs and such but those can get in the way of plows and make for dangerous winter situations when snow is piled up making them less visible.

[go_habs_go]

1 minute ago, amaist said:

It's all useless anyway. A big proportion of drivers consider signs and road markings as no more than decorations. Zero informational value in all seasons to them. 

Any painted line will get covered by snow. Overhead signs can help. Another solution is raised curbs and such but those can get in the way of plows and make for dangerous winter situations when snow is piled up making them less visible.

Or they can just make the lanes straight so that drivers have a general sense of direction even when there is snow covering the markings. Roads should be "natural" to navigate as much as possible. What they did on Peel with the zigging and the zagging just doesn't create any natural flow for winter driving (let alone summer!).

[amaist]

8 minutes ago, go_habs_go said:

Or they can just make the lanes straight so that drivers have a general sense of direction even when there is snow covering the markings. Roads should be "natural" to navigate as much as possible. What they did on Peel with the zigging and the zagging just doesn't create any natural flow for winter driving (let alone summer!).

Multiple conflicting goals prevent that. Notice how the section going up from St Jacques begins as one lane and splits into two lanes. The aim is to provide as much space as possible to bicycles and pedestrians. So we either make it even more hellish for the drivers and make it all a single lane or forget about making things better for pedestrians and cyclists.

The alignment does makes sense if we had a culture of driving where people wouldn't take pride in their ineptitude as drivers. The most basic rule of staying to the right most side of the road would allow this intersection to function well even when covered in snow. But people often can't be bothered with such trivialities like watching well ahead and staying to the right and follow the alignment of the road.

And don't worry, even if they followed your recommendations it would still be a disaster. Once you make something idiot proof nature comes up with a better idiot.

[mal]

[Dominic723]

Il y a 9 heures, Kolev3000 a dit :

Sainte-Catherine/Mansfield

À Midi le 22-09-2021

Pour le projet de réaménagement de la Rue Sainte-Catherine Ouest...

Ça c'est la fin de phase des travaux pour cette année...

Hâte de voir où est-ce que ça va se rendre l'an prochain !

Ma prédiction pour 2022 :

Metcalfe +  Peel assuré

Stanley si on est Chanceux !

Les échéanciers de la phase 2 ne sont pas encore sortis je crois, mais les prochains travaux vont être sur la rue Union et la Place du Frère-André (encore dans la phase 1) mais pour le tronçon jusqu'à Peel, la réfection de Peel entre René-Lévesque et Sherbrooke va avoir un impact aussi

[Rocco]

Rue Peel.

Ne faites pas d'urticaire, c'est bien un compteur à vélo très high tech.