griffintown Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

[mk.ndrsn]

il y a 50 minutes, Southwark a dit :

No, that's even worse. That is literally erasing the historical names of the area. Something new is fine, but we should keep existing names as they are.

Is that so? Places routinely change name officially and unofficially to be more of significance to the people that occupy those spaces. It’s not a sacrilegious act to change the name of things. However, toponomy and geography matters when naming transit stations. Being coherent matters when developing a city. If naming the station Bernard Landry is particularly important, than we should co-brand la cite du multimedia as something like “District Landry”, “Bourg-Landry”, or rename a street or other landmark around the station. Some names were chosen because as a young nation we were eager to give some individuality to our spaces, but ultimately those names shouldn’t matter for the sole reason of being historic. I don’t mind keeping those names, but no, changing them is not a bad thing at all.

[SkahHigh]

36 minutes ago, budgebandit said:

My political choices are motivated by logic, morals and values. If Mayor Plante wants to name a station in Griffintown after a hardcore advocate of Quebec sovereignty, then I don't believe she shares those same values. Bernard Landry was very outspoken about his disdain for the English-speaking minority in Quebec, and he blamed the "ethnic" vote for the "Non" majority in the referendum. He is a fading symbol of divisiveness in Quebec, and the mayor has chosen to honor that. I could care less if the park on Robert-Bourassa was named after him but the fact that the GRIFFINTOWN station has to share its name with this man was a calculated move (and it would be extremely naive to think otherwise). 

Wasn't that Parizeau?

[ScarletCoral]

il y a 1 minute, SkahHigh a dit :

Wasn't that Parizeau?

Landry also made some harsh remarks on the night of the referendum. He apologized, but he was minister of Affaires internationales, Immigration & Communautés culturelles at that time!

https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/obituary-former-parti-quebecois-leader-bernard-landry
"Although most of the focus that famous night in 1995 was on leader Jacques Parizeau’s “money and ethnic votes” statement, Landry had his own minority moment when he walked into Montreal’s Intercontinental Hotel on the same evening and berated an immigrant hotel clerk. In an emotional outburst, Landry ranted about immigrants who had deprived the Yes forces of a victory. Landry later would apologize to the clerk, Anita Martinez, and stepped aside as the PQ minister responsible for cultural communities."

[nimbto]

Je remarque qu'ils veulent garder la rue Dalhousie en face de la station. Ça l'air d'être une occasion pour la démolir et la remplacer par une place piétonne avec des food-trucks.

[SkahHigh]

1 minute ago, ScarletCoral said:

Landry also made some harsh remarks on the night of the referendum. He apologized, but he was minister of Affaires internationales, Immigration & Communautés culturelles at that time!

https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/obituary-former-parti-quebecois-leader-bernard-landry
"Although most of the focus that famous night in 1995 was on leader Jacques Parizeau’s “money and ethnic votes” statement, Landry had his own minority moment when he walked into Montreal’s Intercontinental Hotel on the same evening and berated an immigrant hotel clerk. In an emotional outburst, Landry ranted about immigrants who had deprived the Yes forces of a victory. Landry later would apologize to the clerk, Anita Martinez, and stepped aside as the PQ minister responsible for cultural communities."

Merci, je ne suis pas assez vieux pour connaître tout l’historique de l’époque.

[ScarletCoral]

il y a 7 minutes, nimbto a dit :

Je remarque qu'ils veulent garder la rue Dalhousie en face de la station. Ça l'air d'être une occasion pour la démolir et la remplacer par une place piétonne avec des food-trucks.

La Ville pourrait faire une extension du parc Mary-Griffin avec la rue! Surtout que dans le plan directeur des parcs et espaces verts de l'arrondissement, il y a un projet de transformer le bout de Dalhousie à côté du New City Gas en place publique 
 

 

[danny12345]

50 minutes ago, budgebandit said:

 

My political choices are motivated by logic, morals and values. If Mayor Plante wants to name a station in Griffintown after a hardcore advocate of Quebec sovereignty, then I don't believe she shares those same values. Bernard Landry was very outspoken about his disdain for the English-speaking minority in Quebec, and he blamed the "ethnic" vote for the "Non" majority in the referendum. He is a fading symbol of divisiveness in Quebec, and the mayor has chosen to honor that. I could care less if the park on Robert-Bourassa was named after him but the fact that the GRIFFINTOWN station has to share its name with this man was a calculated move (and it would be extremely naive to think otherwise). 

Typical Quebec bashing where all souverainist are wrong.  Irish fought for their country, no problem here, perfectly normal, perfectly legimitate.  Quebec tries to get his own country, thru democratic reform instead of violence (save a few hot heads), and we're divisive, racist, [enter your bullshit here].

For the ethnic part, you are obviously confusing Landry and Parizeau.

[Blitz]

Je pense que la communauté Irlandaises peut se réjouir quand même, ne prévoit-on pas une grande place commémorative tout près du pont Victoria? N'y-a-t-il pas déjà des travaux en vue pour la création de cette place avec Hydro-Québec qui possédait le terrain? Aussi, plusieurs pensent qu'une autre station près de Brigde sera construite éventuellement, elle pourrait très bien porter le nom de Station des Irlandais.  

[chl94]

Faut-il rappeler que la station est à cheval entre Griffintown et la cité du multimédia qui existe en grande partie grâce à la vision de Bernard Landry? Je ne crois pas que le compromis de mettre les deux noms est si révoltant. Ce qui est désolant, c'est de voir autant de réactions de gens qui s'enflamment pour la simple raison que c'était un premier ministre séparatiste. Get over it. Le Québec n'est pas un pays et il s'adonne que M. Landry a fait beaucoup pour la province et pour Montréal.

Il a signé la Paix des Braves , il a adhéré au Protocole de Kyoto, il a fait la promotion du libre échange avec les États-Unis, il a contribué à l’essor des technologies de pointe, une des forces économiques du Québec d’aujourd’hui, par la création notamment de la Cité du multimédia et de la Cité du commerce électronique. 

Modifié 23 juin 2020 par chl94

[budgebandit]

8 minutes ago, danny12345 said:

Typical Quebec bashing where all souverainist are wrong.  Irish fought for their country, no problem here, perfectly normal, perfectly legimitate.  Quebec tries to get his own country, thru democratic reform instead of violence (save a few hot heads), and we're divisive, racist, [enter your bullshit here].

For the ethnic part, you are obviously confusing Landry and Parizeau.

I am not confusing Landry and Parizeau, you can refer to Scarlet's 11:40 AM post. 
I have no issues with Quebec wanting more autonomy, we are a distinct society within Canada. However, that doesn't mean doing to current minorities what the English did to the French. I do not agree with Landry's politics and I do not agree with the mayor's decision to name this particular station after him. If you feel otherwise, that's fine.