montréal REM (ligne A) - Discussion générale

[nephersir7]

Animation de la portion près de Fairview via le compte Twitter de CDPQ Infra

 

 

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[Rocco]

Comme ça il va y avoir des beaux fils électriques en hauteur tout le long du parcours..

[orages lointains]

Hier, Jean-Vincent Lacroix n'arrêtait pas de vanter les mérites de ces deux stations.

 

Il disait que la seule raison qu'elles n'étaient pas encore confirmées est parce qu'ils n'ont pas fini de valider tous les enjeux de faisabilité technique.

 

Il a aussi dit qu'ils étaient en train de réfléchir à comment réaliser l'intégration de ces stations dans les travaux de conversion du tunnel pour ne pas avoir à interrompre l'opération du REM quand il entrera partiellement en service en 2020.

 

this is encouraging news. once built, it's difficult to imagine them suspending operation for construction. it could be now or never for these stations.

[andre md]

A choisir entre griffintown et pointe st-charles le choix est facile a faire. Meme si un stade des expos est contruit dans ce coin ,en hiver ca va etre mort ce secteur bridge wellington. J'espere que Griffintown va etre favoriser.

[franktko]

A choisir entre griffintown et pointe st-charles le choix est facile a faire. Meme si un stade des expos est contruit dans ce coin ,en hiver ca va etre mort ce secteur bridge wellington. J'espere que Griffintown va etre favoriser.

 

C'est trop vrai. Peut-être une station saisonnière?

[gelu88]

Just came back after spending nearly 3 hours listening to people speak. For people going next week, look for a fenchman named Denis Andlauer, he's the best person to talk about EVERYTHING.

 

Anyways my report:

 

Report:

 

The rive sud terminal will include a full garage for trains. (deux montagne has an AMT terminal which will be used as well) a small extension for ~4 trains will be made at the end of st anne de belvue station to feed the system every morning.

 

Rive sud station will have a parking space for 3000 vehicles(forgot to ask how much will be surface lots)

 

Capacity. Asked Alain about Ant6n’s critiques. He responded that initial trains will have 180 second headways but that 120 second headways can be done without much difficulty, which would expand the system to 18,000 pph. The system is theoretically able to have 90 second headways. They expect this will allow the system to handle capacity until 2040. Beyond that, they confirmed that every station will be designed to be doubled in size to 160m in length, meaning 1200 passenger cars. Amazing news.

 

When asked about Tax increment financing, he said they want it, but that direct revenue for TIF is not the goal. They estimate that it’ll add $120 million to the project, which they recognize it not that much.

 

He confirmed that Fairview STM station will move next to the new station and that they are working very closely with the STM to make the integration between buses and REM as tight as possible. Quote: “right now the AMT rail stations are surrounded by parking with bus stops at the edges. We want to have buses in the center with parking around it”

 

They worked hard on a Griffintown station but it’s just not possible. The problem is that that route south of Bassin peel is in a tunnel, and the track is planned to rise up after the basin. They can’t have a station on a grade and since they cannot have more than a 5% grade, it would mean moving the start of the rise further north which causes problems for meeting the CN rail ROW and entering into Gare Centrale.

 

On the subject of the Mcgill and Eduard stations. He said they recognize how important those stations are. The AMT is currently working on some studies for fire emergency preparedness in the tunnels. That plus other work means they are not sure about those stations and don’t want to delay the whole project for them. No info about funding was provided.

 

The Rive Sud station was initially suppose to be north the of 10, but that area is currently a recycling depot and in the past handled dangerous chemicals. It's heavily contaminated so they decided to curve south instead.

 

The panama station will be built on top of the current bus trench, level with car traffic. The area under will become the pedestran zone and will be integrated with a new underground bus terminal at the existing Panama station location.

 

The tunnel under points st Charles is one of the most challenging parts, because it is badly contaminated.

 

They will take over the 3 lanes in gare central used by AMT, which may be used to store extra trains and add emergency capacity when needed.

 

The station is 400m long, but they intend to use the southmost 80m. They are not allowed to modify the narrow, small Gare Central exit in any way. so they will also build their own exits, particularly a new path to Bonaventure that is easier and more direct than the current way.

 

The fire hazard of the mount royal tunnel is recognized. Since they cannot have any exits, the solution(determined by the AMT already) is to have fireproof bunkers every 750m along the tunnel.

 

The airport spur till St Laurent technoparc is guaranteed. After that the airport link remains under study. ADM is still studying if they can modify it to come in from the north instead.

 

I probably learned more stuff that is not coming to mind right now, Ask me anything!

 

Edit: They are considering have Express trains to the airport during off peak hours.

Modifié 3 juin 2016 par gelu88

[Rocco]

Pretty sure those McGill and Ed-Montpetit stations will never occur from the bla-bla I hear. Griffintown station out. Talk about a 'connected' system. What a shame.

[gelu88]

Pretty sure those McGill and Ed-Montpetit stations will never occur from the bla-bla I hear. Griffintown station out. Talk about a 'connected' system. What a shame.

 

Pretty sure they will. They will have updated technical studies soon. They already have a final price for Eduard of $350 million. The only reason it's not concrete yet is that the complexity and unansered questions around it were delaying the rest of the proposal.

 

Turns out Denis Andlauer is the director of operations for the whole project, no wonder he knew so much. He talked for 3 hours straight, no breaks, not even a drink of water as far as I noticed.

[jerry]

A choisir entre griffintown et pointe st-charles le choix est facile a faire. Meme si un stade des expos est contruit dans ce coin ,en hiver ca va etre mort ce secteur bridge wellington. J'espere que Griffintown va etre favoriser.

 

Ça ne serait pas mort car il y aurait beaucoup plus qu'un stade. Ça fait plusieurs années que la Société Immobilière du Canada, qui possède ce grand terrain du bassin Wellington, rêve de le développer. Il y aurait donc sûrement autour du stade tout un nouveau complexe de commerces, hôtels et condos dont la plus-value aiderait à rentabiliser le coût du stade. Évidemment ça prend un stade, ce qui est loin d'être assuré malgré les vues optimistes de notre maire.

Modifié 3 juin 2016 par jerry

[ronald.houde]

Pretty sure those McGill and Ed-Montpetit stations will never occur from the bla-bla I hear. Griffintown station out. Talk about a 'connected' system. What a shame.

In a monster project like this, you gotta pick your battles and I agree with CDPQ Infra that the Édouard-Montpetit and McGill stations are battles that ought to be fought later.

Deferring the Pointe St-Charles station because of ground contamination is another snart move. There really is a pretty nasty soup nacerating in that old dump site.

I think the moniker for this project to date is "smart visionaries at work".

 

 

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