60 étages à Laval

[vincethewipet]

Au fait, est-ce que ça existe une carte du zonage des hauteurs pour Laval? J'imagine que ce projet devra être approuvé pour se construire aussi haut.

[LindbergMTL]

Monsieur Vaillancourt va s'en occuper, t'en fais pas.

[Né entre les rapides]

1) Rentabilité: le coût unitaire (par superficie de plancher) est supérieur pour un édifice plus élevé, et ne se justifie que lorsque le prix du terrain le commande, ce qui est un reflet de la demande dans une ville. 4 x 15 étages coûtent moins cher que 1 x 60. A Montréal, même s'il n'y avait pas de contrainte de zonage, peu ou pas de construction de 60+ étages se réaliseraient. En banlieue, il y a qq chose qui m'échappe quand j'essaie d'imaginer la rentabilté.

 

2) Evolution de banlieue: c'est possible, par ex. Pudong en face de Shanghai, La Défense à l'ext. de Paris, Canary Wharf dans les docks londonniens, tout l'espace à l'ouest de la Porte de Brandebourg était jadis un terrain de chasse, même la rue Ste-Catherine ouest à Mtl était vue comme éloignée quand la rue St-Jacques/St. James Street était le centre des affaires. Par contre, il y a certains secteurs de banlieue qui tourneront "mal"--déserts de centres d'achats abandonnés. Toutes les tournures sont possibles, un facteur dominant est la croissance (ou la stagnation) d'une agglomération, mais les choix d'aménagement sont aussi importants.

[Invité]

Un 10 que Luc Poirier alias Douchebag Millionnaire (la pognes tu?) a vu le projet de CF pis s'est dit que la banlieue méritait aussi sa tour de 60 étages...avec un club genre Fuzzy bien installé en haut.

 

la bonne nouvelle, c'est que les Douches du 737 iront dans ce nouveau club en altitude et nous, le "peuple" pourront enfin profiter de ce club sans se préoccuper de nos amies qui ne prendront plus le risque de se faire "agresser" par la clientèle douche convaincue de la façon dont on charme une "Montréalaise".

 

Non mais outre ma mauvaise expérience que je vous étale ici, si cette tour est dans un plus grand développement, jespere que Luc Poirier aura la décence de construire le reste avant, question qu'on ne se retrouve pas avec une tour de 60 étages toute seule en plein milieu de rien parce que le marché n'est pas au rendez vous ou autres raisons...

[mtl51450]

Où ce projet serait-il construit? Sur les terrains vagues derrière le métro Montmorency?

[Cyrus]

To me, Mississauga is all a suburb can aspire to be. That is one of the reasons why my long term thesis on suburbia is negative.

 

Want to know the future of Mercier; look at Brossard.

Want to know the future of Brossard; look at Longueuil.

Want to know the future of Longueuil; look at Laval.

Want to know the future of Laval; look at Mississauga.

 

Now, should those suburbs not want to turn into those other suburbs, they should note carefully their failings and not repeat them.

 

Mississauga's failings: it would have been great if the GO Train stopped at Burhamthorpe and Hurontario instead of 2 kms to the south and 3 kms to the west. And why is the TTC extending the subway to Vaughan and not to Mississauga? Extending the Bloor-Danforth line to Square One seems like a no brainer.

 

Brossard's failings: Dix30 would work even better if the one storey commercial spaces had two or three storeys of condos above them. Then it could have become a real "quartier". Too many parking spaces, above ground and below.

 

Longueuil's failings: the parking lots around the metro take up more space than the high density buildings. Too many parking lots, not enough high density buildings.

 

Laval's failings: I don't know what Laval is. It's an obscure amalgam of Longueuil and other suburbs.

 

Is it fair to call Mississauga a suburb? The population of the city is over 735 000. It's bigger than Edmonton, multiple times bigger than Halifax, bigger than Quebec, bigger than Regina and Saskatoon combined, more people than all of New Brunswick... it has a downtown, it has employment, it has services and houses, etc. It is like a city that just happens to border Toronto.

[MtlMan]

It is like a city that just happens to border Toronto.

 

THAT'S the snag!Big one.

[Glen Carter]

Mississauga's recent growth in the last 2 decades is owed to Toronto's growth, but I definitely wouldn't call Mississauga a mere suburb or a bedroom community. Its downtown district is home to over 60 of Canada's largest company's head offices, so there is a ton of industry and work there and it's still growing at an astonishing rate. At least consider it as a "Sub-City" if not an actual city (which I think it is)!

[joecannes]

I know what you mean when you say Mississauga downtown is a mismtach of buildings...If Laval comes up with a master plan for the look and feel of towering structures, much like how Vancouver's English Bay requires all glass on high rises to be a certain style, they should be fine

[caribb]

I know what you mean when you say Mississauga downtown is a mismtach of buildings...If Laval comes up with a master plan for the look and feel of towering structures, much like how Vancouver's English Bay requires all glass on high rises to be a certain style, they should be fine

 

Good luck to them. I work in the Industrial Park in Laval.. where zoning laws are truly bizarre.. 21st century buildings next to 19th century farm houses, a corn field, 1950's bungalows, cookie cutter shopping courts, American styled streets with every chain restaurant in Canada on them and then bland lifeless industrial warehouses.. add to it roads that are put together piecemeal, lanes that just vanish, some too wide, others too small, stop lights that stay red for 4 minutes then give you 30 seconds to cross.. the city's overall design is basically a mess. It'll take a miracle to get any sort of organization to make it all look and behave like a real city. It's hardly worthy of being called a suburb let alone Quebec's second largest city. If they start working on it now we can probably call it fine in about 200 years. :-)