Le RIEN de l'Est (Ex-REM de l'Est)

[ToxiK]

il y a 33 minutes, SameGuy a dit :

They also siht on the sidewalks there so...

Maybe we should ask the mtlurb member that should remain nameless for the moment if that happens in Montréal too...

[ToxiK]

il y a 52 minutes, SameGuy a dit :

As I said, "conflate." In a segregated right-of-way, there are no intersections. Modern trams may be on the road, but in a separate right of way and with controlled intersections, but often they also run fully-grade separated on longer stretches. "How fast" = "what is the average speed." 

Beside the railway along Souligny (with limited over/underpasses along the way), I don't really see a corridor (especially a complete corridor) that would allow a tramway lane without intersections.  There are many streets that needs to cross and people to turn left, and pedestrians needing to cross (not mentioning cyclists).  The REM that took the Deux-Montagne line already had very few intersections, so it was easier to add some overpasses.  I am afraid there would be way more work to do in the east.  That and the fact that if there are intersections, we will need drivers for the trains, an extra cost that I would hope we would not need (I know, we are talking about speed here).  

[SameGuy]

2 hours ago, Corbeau said:

How will people cross the street at intersections?

I think a lot of people here just randomly throw around the term "tram-train" when what they really mean is "tram." A tram-train is a system that uses tram vehicles, and operates as a tram in the city centre or the denser parts of a core, and then shares a mainline (passenger and/or freight) railway to extend further into the suburbs; modern trams that serve as mass rapid transit might also operate as a traditional tram in the dense core or CBD, but often (usually) also have their own fully-grade-separated right-of-way to cover longer distances at much higher speeds than local transit (buses, streetcars, metro) can usually run. A modern tram might run along its own ROW down the centre of, say, René-Lévesque downtown, and with proper signalling it should still operate more swiftly than buses or automobiles, but then it heads into its own, separated ROW along the long-touted Notre-Dame alignment just past de Lorimier. With stations much further apart, it can zip through less-dense areas and cruise through the industrial areas at top speed before getting out to the eastern suburbs.

[montrealgoalie]

The east needs legit rapid transit, a light rail, with a direct connection to downtown, not dumping people off on the green line.

I see tramways as a supplement to the REMs and Metro lines. As previously mentioned, CDN, Parc, Old Port

Definitely something in the west island  St Johns / Sources / Pierrefonds blvd

Henri Bourassa between Du Ruisseau and REM de l'Est (or whatever)

Upgrade Pie IX SRB to a Tram

Etc

But the east of Montreal needs le REM de l'Est

 

[SameGuy]

If the O&D studies show that a radial line from downtown to the eastern tip can justify a higher-capacity "metro" for $10-36 billion, ok, great. We still have yet to see any such numbers.

[montrealgoalie]

For future proofing, which we are absolutely terrible at in Quebec

 

[Corbeau]

Il y a 2 heures, montrealgoalie a dit :

For future proofing, which we are absolutely terrible at in Quebec

 

Et on est tellement en retard qu'on doit être en train de construire des stations partout.

[SameGuy]

13 hours ago, montrealgoalie said:

For future proofing, which we are absolutely terrible at in Quebec

 

We're also bad at retro-proofing. We almost never fix past mistakes, usually don't learn from them, and are doomed to repeat those errors and bad habits time and again. 

[andre md]

First thing first. 

Les gouvernement ou encore CDPQ devrait acheter tout les terrains dans l'est. Les décontaminé eux meme. 

On eviterai comme ca une flambée des prix des terrains.  Et ca coutera finalement moins cher pour construire une ligne de transport en commun.  Et aussi tout ce qui vient avec logements, industries, commerces, écoles etc... 

 

 

[montrealgoalie]

2 hours ago, SameGuy said:

We're also bad at retro-proofing. We almost never fix past mistakes, usually don't learn from them, and are doomed to repeat those errors and bad habits time and again. 

Very true

One example that comes to mind is how much we ignore our road infrastructure, not only in terms of structural quality but in terms of retro-proofing and future proofing. That example being the 440/15 interchange (Most interchanges are out dated).  The city grows and grows and grows and they never bothered to do anything about that terribly dangerous. After some massive accidents and deaths, they finally decided to do something about it.  Yet they're only fixing ONE direction.  Quebec has a  massive problem with interchanges that make you get onto the service road, cut everyone, onto the other highway's service road then onto the highway.  Garbage

We just always seem to not do things when its time to do them, nor ever as you say.   (Bois franc extension during the garage construction anyone?)

End rant

2 hours ago, andre md said:

First thing first. 

Les gouvernement ou encore CDPQ devrait acheter tout les terrains dans l'est. Les décontaminé eux meme. 

On eviterai comme ca une flambée des prix des terrains.  Et ca coutera finalement moins cher pour construire une ligne de transport en commun.  Et aussi tout ce qui vient avec logements, industries, commerces, écoles etc... 

 

 

Ca serait un investissement fort, mais je pense que le monde chialleraient a pu finir.