montréal REM de l'Est

[Enalung]

5 hours ago, blue_dragon said:

Is an underground solution not already in place?

Could the engineers not simply either modify the ville-marie tunnel, reduce the number of lanes, or shrink existing lanes in order to accommodate a REM train heading east? Leaving from Bonaventure/Central station would simplify connections from the initial REM, or even better, have a branch that could run from Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue all the way to Pointe-Aux-Trembles. Once completed, we could finally cover up the Ville-Marie after so many years of discussion.

I'm sure this option would be pricey, but would be much preferable to structures in the middle of Rene-Levesque, probably cheaper than an entire new tunnel being dug.

I have a strong feeling this project won't move forward unless they find a solution to bury the train downtown. 

I've been very dismissive of this option over most of this discussion, but yesterday, I found this...

That's an old highway ramp being converted to rail.

There's a tunnel entrance here.

A little further along, you find this station. Beyond this point, I have not found any traces of construction visible above ground. I do not know where the highway tunnel used to exit.

This highway tunnel runs very straight and true. This is part of an old HOV lane which has been repurposed.

It exists here directly onto a bridge over Washington lake. Being a glacial lake, this lake is extremely deep, which makes standard bridge building techniques impractical. This is one of only a few floating concrete bridges in the world. Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know, this is that this is the only railway built on a floating bridge in the world.

This project is in Seattle. This is the project map.

Looking through Google map historical photos, I did eventually find this station construction site. It seems that this project is being built in several phases. I have good reason to beleive that most of the tunnels for this phase are brand new.

Here's another station that was under construction in 2011.

This is the north exit portal.

Now this right here is one of my gripes with the way we build transit in Montreal. You can see in this photo that that beyond the terminal station, the ramp has been curved over the road. It is very obvious that accommodations have been made for possible future expansions of the network.

 

[andre md]

il y a 10 minutes, Enalung a dit :

I've been very dismissive of this option over most of this discussion, but yesterday, I found this...

That's an old highway ramp being converted to rail.

There's a tunnel entrance here.

A little further along, you find this station. Beyond this point, I have not found any traces of construction visible above ground. I do not know where the highway tunnel used to exit.

This highway tunnel runs very straight and true. This is part of an old HOV lane which has been repurposed.

It exists here directly onto a bridge over Washington lake. Being a glacial lake, this lake is extremely deep, which makes standard bridge building techniques impractical. This is one of only a few floating concrete bridges in the world. Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know, this is that this is the only railway built on a floating bridge in the world.

This project is in Seattle. This is the project map.

Looking through Google map historical photos, I did eventually find this station construction site. It seems that this project is being built in several phases. I have good reason to beleive that most of the tunnels for this phase are brand new.

Here's another station that was under construction in 2011.

This is the north exit portal.

Now this right here is one of my gripes with the way we build transit in Montreal. You can see in this photo that that beyond the terminal station, the ramp has obviously been curved over the road. It is very obvious that accommodations have been made for possible future expansions of the network.

 

Certains décideurs ont aucune visión concernant d'éventuel prolongements. 

[seb851]

Il a juste moi que ça choque la désinformation dans les média concernent le 0.72$/km de ce genre sans donnez le coût des autre transport de la STM et EXO et aussi personne ne parle que ce tarif est un tarif plafond et régressive si atteins les 115% et 140% des provisions de la CDPQi. Et que si REM atteins pas ses objective, il a pas de contribution supplémentaire aux Ville et ARTM   

Citation

La structure du coût d’exploitation par km/passager à 72 cents pour le REM de l’Ouest est conçue de façon à ce que la contribution annuelle du gouvernement du Québec au REM représente 54 % (39,1 cents) du km/passager. Cette structure est basée sur un achalandage de 608 millions passagers/km par an.  

 

 

[Doctor D]

Whatever happened to the idea of a ground level tram running parallel to Notre Dame? 

I can't remember the thread but I remember it was a thing before all this started. Why was it dropped? 

[Le Batisseur]

Question de sauver en partie le projet, pourquoi ne pas prolonger la ligne verte jusqu’à Georges V, puis y partir un tramway longeant Sherbrooke vers l'est à partir de ce point?

[p_xavier]

Il y a 9 heures, Doctor D a dit :

Whatever happened to the idea of a ground level tram running parallel to Notre Dame? 

I can't remember the thread but I remember it was a thing before all this started. Why was it dropped? 

Trop lent, trop peu d'achalandage, comme la majorité des projets de SLR ils n'atteignent pas un ratio de retour sur investissement.  Ça fait 2 fois que Vancouver annule des tramways pour y mettre des SkyTrain car la population n'en veut pas.

[Enalung]

RMTransit is a treat this morning:
 

 

[SameGuy]

1 hour ago, Enalung said:

RMTransit is a treat this morning:
 

 

There are a few points @reecemartin makes in the video with which I don’t (or only somewhat) agree. However, the observation that REM is an express service like RER — “express” is in both their names! — while Métro is local transit… is spot-on (and a point I’ve made on these forums).

[Le Batisseur]

Bien que l'idée du REM semble populaire en périphérie, il en est tout autre en plein coeur de la ville. Plutôt que de dépenser des milliards pour ramener de nouvelles lignes jusqu'au centre ville, pourquoi ne pas les partir là où l'infrastructure existante se termine et déservir un maximum de gens à partir de là en longeant les autoroutes et autres grandes artères. En commençant par des voies dédiés aux autobus comme à Ottawa. De toute façon, les banlieues ont été dessinés à la base pour l'automobile. Je vois mal comment on pourrait y intégrer des stations de type REM locales, peut être que des tramways qui se rabattent sur les stations de REM/métro/SRB conviendraient mieux rendu là... S'il y a développement futur, tant mieux, on s'adaptera rendu là.

Je sais que l'on rêve de modèle comme en Europe mais la réalité est que le Grand Montréal est beaucoup trop étendu pour y faire telle comparaison.

Modifié 14 février 2022 par Le Batisseur

[andre md]

Il y a 1 heure, Enalung a dit :

RMTransit is a treat this morning:
 

 

I like the way he explain the purpose of the rem. It's like the Highway versión of Transit.