VIA Rail - Discussion générale ​

[AMTFan1]

il y a 11 minutes, Spiter_01 a dit :

Yes it's well known that AMT/EXO have had it in their eyes/plans for a long time, but I haven't seen any public indication that CP is interested in selling it.

CP and CN are private companies. If any discussions or negotiations are occuring, they are behind closed doors. And Exo must be well aware that, if they have to discuss with them, they have to keep their mouth shut, because when the former AMT openly complained about CP and CN refusing to let them electrify their train lines back in 2012, it didn't go so well, with the former head of CN then complaining about the AMT.

[Spiter_01]

7 minutes ago, AMTFan1 said:

CP and CN are private companies. If any discussions or negotiations are occuring, they are behind closed doors. And Exo must be well aware that, if they have to discuss with them, they have to keep their mouth shut, because when the former AMT openly complained about CP and CN refusing to let them electrify their train lines back in 2012, it didn't go so well, with the former head of CN then complaining about the AMT.

All true, I guess my point is that until something filters out or is announced, there's nothing that leads me to believe that any progress has been made in the last 5-10 years.

[AMTFan1]

il y a 32 minutes, SameGuy a dit :

We are beating a dead horse here.

The federal government in power right now is losing ground in every district except the west island lol. It’s an election year, so they’ve announced what sounds like an amazing big project, $6 billion-$12 billion — for what amounts to nothing more than a bog-standard, low-speed train that isn’t even 100% electrified, in the hopes of increasing ridership from 5000 passengers a day to 15,000 passengers a day by 2050. It’s nonsensical, as long as there is subsidized gasoline, and multiple other cheap modes of travel in the corridor. Anything other than acquiring space for dedicated tracks in existing rights of way will require a concord between the feds, the province and multiple local administrations, and then further massive investments for gee-whiz infrastructure that simply isn’t needed to address the current and future needs of the actual residents and businesses of this city.

Other than Union and Centrale, VIA stations are nothing more than a shack with a strip of asphalt at ground level that serves as a “platform,” and it has been like this since VIA took over passenger service from disinterested CN and CP in 1978. The feds are no more interested in spending $10 billion for a tunnel under Montreal than the CAQ was in doing so for a Pink Line.

It’s nice to dream big, but stories like this come and go, and have done so every couple of months for decades. I admire your optimism, but don’t read too much into a La Presse opinion piece.

But when it comes to public transit projects like the tram in Quebec, the REM in Montreal, and light rail lines in Ontario, it rather shows an increasing interest in funding public transportation projects. Since WW2, what every government have done is funding big highway projects while public transit projects have taken the sideline. Now we live in cities that have chronic problems of traffic congestion.

I would much prefer investing 10 billion $ for a train tunnel that would connect an entire corridor of passenger trains between Ontario and Québec with other local and regional trains, than 10 billion $ for a highway tunnel just connecting Quebec and Lévis under the St-Lawrence river, thus increasing already existing traffic jam problems in those cities...

[SameGuy]

8 hours ago, AMTFan1 said:

But when it comes to public transit projects like the tram in Quebec, the REM in Montreal, and light rail lines in Ontario, it rather shows an increasing interest in funding public transportation projects. Since WW2, what every government have done is funding big highway projects while public transit projects have taken the sideline. Now we live in cities that have chronic problems of traffic congestion.

I would much prefer investing 10 billion $ for a train tunnel that would connect an entire corridor of passenger trains between Ontario and Québec with other local and regional trains, than 10 billion $ for a highway tunnel just connecting Quebec and Lévis under the St-Lawrence river, thus increasing already existing traffic jam problems in those cities...

We absolutely agree on this.

[Enalung]

18 hours ago, Kolev3000 said:

Aujourd’hui va être une excellente journée !

Excellent article de La Presse + (Pas encore sur leur site web mais c’est important que vous ayez l’information tout de suite…Ça va enflammer les discussions! Amusez-vous les amis !  )

Étude de l’AMT de 2007 directement tout frais, tout chaud de mon cloud ! 

 

There's one major problem with this suggestion... The REM is going to use the western portion of Gare Centrale while the commuter trains use the eastern portion. In order for this plan to work, you would have to shift the station to the western side while keeping the eastern side for the new tunnel.

[AMTFan1]

Il y a 9 heures, Enalung a dit :

There's one major problem with this suggestion... The REM is going to use the western portion of Gare Centrale while the commuter trains use the eastern portion. In order for this plan to work, you would have to shift the station to the western side while keeping the eastern side for the new tunnel.

It seems that tracks 7 & 8, as well as the other ones used for maintenance of the Deux-Montagnes trains might be available. So if we kick out the Bureau en Gros from Central station and reopen the former access to the platforms of tracks 7 & 8 and rebuilt another platform for tracks 6 & 5, VIA and Exo might be able to have enough space for boarding passengers. But connecting tracks 5, 6, 7 & 8 to the south and to Pointe-St-Charles maintenance centers and the CN Montreal subdivision will still be difficult.

[Decel]

il y a 59 minutes, AMTFan1 a dit :

It seems that tracks 7 & 8, as well as the other ones used for maintenance of the Deux-Montagnes trains might be available. So if we kick out the Bureau en Gros from Central station and reopen the former access to the platforms of tracks 7 & 8 and rebuilt another platform for tracks 6 & 5, VIA and Exo might be able to have enough space for boarding passengers. But connecting tracks 5, 6, 7 & 8 to the south and to Pointe-St-Charles maintenance centers and the CN Montreal subdivision will still be difficult.

The Pandemic kicked the Bureau en Gros out of Gare Centrale already...

[AMTFan1]

il y a une heure, Decel a dit :

The Pandemic kicked the Bureau en Gros out of Gare Centrale already...

Vraiment?! Ça fait un bon bout de temps que je n'y suis pas retourné.

[Né entre les rapides]

Tout ça pour la section du TGF entre Québec et Montréal?  -- Je vois bien qu'à Montréal une correspondance à la station Côte-de-Liesse du REM ne serait pas idéale pour les voyageurs en provenance ou à destination de Québec/Trois-Rivières, mais je souligne que l'arrivée à Québec, présumément à la Gare du Palais, n'est pas au coeur de l'action non plus.  Pour la très grande majorité des voyageurs, au moins une correspondance avec un autre mode de transport (tramway pour plusieurs, autobus ou taxis pour les autres) serait nécessaire.  Quant aux trajets entre Québec/Trois/Rivières et Ottawa/Toronto, ils ne seraient pas "directs" non plus, mais ça me semblerait peu de chose par rapport à l'ensemble du trajet, et surtout, ça ne concernerait vraisemblablement qu'une petite partie des voyageurs.

C'est uniquement entre Montréal et Toronto que les gares sont situées au coeur de l'action, et comme par hasard c'est le trajet qui aura toujours, et de loin, le plus fort achalandage pour un TGF.  (Les déplacements entre Montréal et Québec sont nombreux aussi, mais la dispersion spatiale des principales destinations à Québec fait en sorte qu'il est généralement plus pratique de s'y rendre en automobile).

[Decel]

Si c'est faisable à un coût raisonable, tant-mieux.

Si c'est à coût prohibitifs ou ça ajoute des délais ridicules, je préfère une solution comme Dorval comme connection urbaine: c'est près de l'aéroport et ainsi rassemble 2 réseaux longues-distances, c'est accessible avec potentiel de développement, et ça motiverait le REM (gouvernements et/ou CDPQi) d'ajouter un arrêt supplémentaire.