montréal REM de l'Est

[p_xavier]

1 minute ago, SameGuy said:

And nothing in those slides actually promotes anything that would benefit local residents. “Encourages the modal transfer to mass transit” isn’t anything special: even installing bus stops does that. If all the government wants is to reduce “auto-solo” between the outer suburbs and downtown, better commuter train service would have a much bigger impact at significantly lower initial and long term costs.

Le train de l'Est est un fiasco dans tous les sens, cher à opérer avec un long trajet et le CN veut pas plus de trains. C'est quoi tu proposes?

[reecemartin]

On 5/5/2021 at 11:43 PM, Né entre les rapides said:

It's not very kind of you to say that to @geraldshaw, or to anyone else for that matter. However, and thankfully, there are very few condo towers on RL east of Robert-Bourassa (the projected end of the line for the REM de l'Est). In the Downtown core, most towers are hosting offices and hotels (which is not to say that their occupants will not be affected). The only (residential) condos that I am aware of (east of RB) are located far away, one at the corner of Labelle and the other at Wolfe. 

You should rather be sorry for the ruined potential for new condos springing up along RL eastern leg. Regardless, I still do not believe that this nightmare will materialize.

Vancouver seems to have plenty 

[reecemartin]

On 5/6/2021 at 12:52 PM, Rocco said:

It's not just the elevated structure. There will be the forest of pylons with the overhead wires on top, and it will swear even more than the structure itself. If they keep the structure due to the infeasibility of the tunnel, at the very least put a 3rd electrified rail on the RL portion of the city center and not the catenaries.

Randstad Rail does this fine

 

On 5/6/2021 at 2:05 PM, geraldshaw said:

REM-Est will be a 2020s elevated train version of the Gardiner Expressway in Toronto. Cutting the downtown in two and making an ugly mess that Toronto did in the 1950's. Have we learned nothing?

Ah yes, the massive Gardiner, taller, and with cars - just like the REM

On 5/6/2021 at 6:45 PM, danny12345 said:

can you show us a photo of a station seen from the ground? The REM stations, 100% closed and massive due to the elevators, will be very imposing

This station in Vancouver is not too imposing

 

On 5/8/2021 at 12:11 PM, Enalung said:

• 45 Number of truckloads of dirt removed from the site every night, weighing between 600 and 900 tonnes
• 447 Number of columns that will be replaced or reinforced during the Dig Down
• 185 Number of those columns that are directly supporting the train tracks
• 160,000 Square feet of new retail space at Union Station once the dig is complete

Source:  https://nationalpost.com/posted-toronto/dig-down-looks-to-expand-union-station-below-ground/wcm/d6b6cb14-7d24-4a0f-87ba-37ab73930065/

That not just a corridor. It's an absolutely massive area, enough to triple the size of the concourse and still have space left for retail. In comparison, the stations pictured earlier in this thread are 80 meters long, or about 8200 square feet. It's on a completly different order of scale.

This project is mostly complete!

[champdemars]

Il y a 18 heures, geraldshaw a dit :

If 6 months after the announcement of REM Est and a promotional web site with no drawings of  the post REM Est R-L - if R-L drawings do not exist now, the project is a non-starter.

On a eu les rendus architecturaux pour les stations de la ligne bleue quand exactement, par rapport à l'annonce originale du projet? 

On a eu les rendus architecturaux finaux des stations du premier REM quand exactement par rapport à l'annonce originale de 2016?

[Enalung]

1 hour ago, reecemartin said:

This station in Vancouver is not too imposing

You could almost mistake it for a REM station. That one of my complaints about the REM stations. They are way too generic. The Montreal metro is world famous for the unique architecture of it's stations. There's also a fair bit of public art on display inside of those stations. The purely utilitarian nature of the REM is ultimately why CDPQ-I has been criticized so much. This approach is why we got this patchwork elevated guideway and it's why they are getting so much pushback with this new proposition.

[geraldshaw]

5 hours ago, p_xavier said:

Le train de l'Est est un fiasco dans tous les sens, cher à opérer avec un long trajet et le CN veut pas plus de trains. C'est quoi tu proposes?

The Caisse Infra consultation report is a cruel farce. Like a doctor giving his patient  all sorts of photographic  reasons why he will be so much better off in the future   while omitting what his double leg  amputation will look like. They must think Montrealers are  reckless dummies. The PR  release is an insult to all who love Montreal. 

[SameGuy]

5 hours ago, p_xavier said:

Le train de l'Est est un fiasco dans tous les sens, cher à opérer avec un long trajet et le CN veut pas plus de trains. C'est quoi tu proposes?

J’ai dit “better”. Le Train de l’est est “anything but better.”

Le reste du monde semble comprendre la différence entre les trains de banlieue/régionaux et les métros urbains automatisés, mais d'une manière ou d'une autre, nous devons construire de minuscules tramways automatisés avec une capacité minime pour faire fonctionner des lignes de banlieue radiales to/from le centre-ville. This is not the answer either.

Again, $10+ billion invested to improve and modernise suburban/regional rail would benefit far more people throughout the metropolis from Day One than REM-B’s “133,000 passengers a day in 2044.” 

[geraldshaw]

27 minutes ago, SameGuy said:

J’ai dit “better”. Le Train de l’est est “anything but better.”

Le reste du monde semble comprendre la différence entre les trains de banlieue/régionaux et les métros urbains automatisés, mais d'une manière ou d'une autre, nous devons construire de minuscules tramways automatisés avec une capacité minime pour faire fonctionner des lignes de banlieue radiales to/from le centre-ville. This is not the answer either.

Again, $10+ billion invested to improve and modernise suburban/regional rail would benefit far more people throughout the metropolis from Day One than REM-B’s “133,000 passengers a day in 2044.” 

 

[p_xavier]

47 minutes ago, SameGuy said:

J’ai dit “better”. Le Train de l’est est “anything but better.”

Le reste du monde semble comprendre la différence entre les trains de banlieue/régionaux et les métros urbains automatisés, mais d'une manière ou d'une autre, nous devons construire de minuscules tramways automatisés avec une capacité minime pour faire fonctionner des lignes de banlieue radiales to/from le centre-ville. This is not the answer either.

Again, $10+ billion invested to improve and modernise suburban/regional rail would benefit far more people throughout the metropolis from Day One than REM-B’s “133,000 passengers a day in 2044.” 

Oui mais comment? Y a pas de ligne pour trains de banlieue ou pour ajouter de la capacité. 

Et pour question de coûts, c'est justement mieux d'avoir des mini trains automatisés que de longs trains de banlieue. En plus la densité arrive grandement autour des stations, ce n'est pas le cas pour un train de banlieue si y a un partage des voies.

On dirais que tu stick sur le montant en infra alors que faut voir tout ça en valeur totale.

[SameGuy]

Right, and I do not see the value of REM-B. I’m not trying to be obstinate, but there must be a reason why not one other major city elsewhere has invested this kind of money in this kind of system with this extremely limited capacity.