mercier-hochelaga-maisonneuve Stade Olympique et site adjacent - Discussion générale

[pedepy]

i just can't stand it when people say this stadium is poorly located.. if you look at the population distribution on the island, the big o is pretty much central to most of the higher density areas of the city, if just a tad east. many american venues would be considered much worse off by those standards.

 

just whining west islanders, pissed about having to drive their suvs all the way east, in seperatist land.. a downtown stadium probably would've been better, but not by much.

 

the only part of that article that didn't stink of anglo bitterness and made even remotely ense was the part about ambiance and football. she's right: i say remove the roof altogheter, and use the 300$ mil to convert the place into a permanent nfl size football stadium, complete with revamped concession stands, seating, and warmer materials to cover up most of the concrete.

 

hell, there might even be money left over to spruce up the surrounding land around the stadium itself, solidify the structure and maybe install a brand new light system to illuminate the tower at night better than what it has now.

[Cyrus]

The biggest problem with the Stadium is there is nobody to go there. Expos left, the Auto Show got the hell out of there after the roof collapsed in '99 and is now at the Palais des Congres, the trade shows mostly go to the Palais and the Alouettes are at their own place, hockey will never be there... Montreal is full of stadiums and exposition halls and now with the Quartier des Spectacles, the handful of concerts and other things at the Stadium will never return.

 

Spend lots of money but the place is always empty... even the RIO has been selling parking in one of the 4 garages and it is mostly empty also (admittedly it is a poorly located area for parking even if you can ride the metro straight downtown after)

 

It really is the definition of a white elephant (and increasingly so) even if its architecture is amusing. The public debt of the Province is over 221 billion dollars and counting quick. Putting more borrowed money into a big hole is insane.

 

It might be interesting to remove the roof, and build a suitably shaped condo tower in the middle coming right out, and using the stadium seating area as some kind of other purpose (circular shopping-mall ring?). Might want to build it to meet the existing roof-support tower and use it as a belvedere as it is currently. The parking garages would probably be sufficient for the housing and for the retail purposes so you wouldn't need to do much basement to the building (which might be difficult because of the metro line).

 

But the fact remains it is in a crappy neighborhood that is a PITA to get to from any point in the region (unless you are at a metro station, and even then, it is a long trip) and that would limit the appeal of expensive housing units...

 

Alternatively, we could simply dissolve the RIO and attempt to auction off the building. This would likely not be very successful. An option could be to simply abandon the building, and consequently we can give Montreal a true "Coliseum". It could be very profitable in 500 years

 

she's right: i say remove the roof altogheter, and use the 300$ mil to convert the place into a permanent nfl size football stadium, complete with revamped concession stands, seating, and warmer materials to cover up most of the concrete.

 

hell, there might even be money left over to spruce up the surrounding land around the stadium itself, solidify the structure and maybe install a brand new light system to illuminate the tower at night better than what it has now.

 

The problem there would be of course the winter fact. Concrete isn't so bad for winter and we can forget about the stadium and just leave it on blocks, but if you make nice seats and "warm materials" they will probably degrade rapidly. Ever leave something made of particle board outside? LOL

Modifié 5 juillet 2010 par Cyrus

[ToxiK]

Except that she didn't say anything bad against Quebec in that article..unless you consider the olympic stadium to be the entire province. If anything she lamented the fact that a foreigner with little understanding for the local climate and culture was chosen to design it over a Quebec architect who could have been as if not more competent.

 

Actually yes, she did say bad things against Québec. She keeps feeding the mentality found in English Canada that Québécois can't do anything right. Almost the only times we hear about Québec in Canadian media is when there is talk about separation, when English people in Québec are "brutalized by the OLF or when things are not going well in Québec.

 

The Olympic Stadium was not a success. There were troubles building it and the tower wasn't finished for the Olympics (still, we had better Olympics then Toronto...). It was expensive to build and it still cost money and we can't agree what to do with it. The reaction in certain groups of people in Canada will be: "another proof that Québécois are incompetent". But if we were to demolish the stadium, the same groups of people (who usually are fans of Miss Kay and the National Post) will say: "What a bunch of idiots, they demolished a stadium that cost them more then a billion dollars and now they've got nothing. Why are we still sending those most of their money?"

 

By the way, the foreigner she complains about is from France, a country despised by the groups of people I mentioned earlier...

[MTLskyline]

I like the National Post. It is my favourite newspaper. Does that make me a French-hating biggot?

 

Anyways, I think that the "stadium" part should be dismantled (provided it isn't too expensive to do so), but I think the tower should remain. No Expos means the stadium has no purpose. I don't want tax dollars spent on "fixing it".

Modifié 5 juillet 2010 par MTLskyline

[ToxiK]

I like the National Post. It is my favourite newspaper. Does that make me a French-hating biggot?

 

Technically, yes...

 

Seriously, you know that a lot (if not most) anti-Québec, anti-French people in Canada are conservatives, liberals beeing more multicultural (in theory). The same way that most anti-English people in Québec are separatists. That doesn't mean that the Conservative party and the parti Québécois are only filled with bigots.

[MTLskyline]

Technically, yes...

 

Seriously, you know that a lot (if not most) anti-Québec, anti-French people in Canada are conservatives, liberals beeing more multicultural (in theory). The same way that most anti-English people in Québec are separatists. That doesn't mean that the Conservative party and the parti Québécois are only filled with bigots.

 

Uh oh! You'll have to file a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission (I'll be in the company of Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant)!

 

I disagree that most anti-Quebec/anti-French people are conservatives (am I denying that there aren't some French-haters who are conservative, of course not). There are plenty of liberal elitists in Toronto (many of whom are former Montrealers) who see Quebec as a backward/racist place. (moreso socially, not quite so much economically because they both believe in more left-wing economic policies) Conservatives agree with Quebec on reasonable accommodation for instance (they adjust to us, not vice-versa), whereas liberals and socialists would not tend to agree with putting our foot down quite as often. If you have ever glanced at the Globe and Mail (remember Jan Wong or Lawrence Martin?), you'll know what I mean about liberal elitists in Toronto looking down on Quebec (and once again, that isn't to say that most liberals think this way). I wonder why nobody ever talks about them?

 

Anyways, if most Conservatives hated Quebecers, they certainly wouldn't have 11 seats in the province (especially not in entirely francophone regions like the Beauce, Rivere-du-Loup, Quebec City and Roberval).

[JFrosty]

But the fact remains it is in a crappy neighborhood that is a PITA to get to from any point in the region (unless you are at a metro station, and even then, it is a long trip) and that would limit the appeal of expensive housing units...

 

When was the last time you went to that crappy neighborhood?

[ToxiK]

Uh oh! You'll have to file a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission (I'll be in the company of Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant)!

 

I disagree that most anti-Quebec/anti-French people are conservatives (am I denying that there aren't some French-haters who are conservative, of course not). There are plenty of liberal elitists in Toronto (many of whom are former Montrealers) who see Quebec as a backward/racist place. (moreso socially, not quite so much economically because they both believe in more left-wing economic policies) Conservatives agree with Quebec on reasonable accommodation for instance (they adjust to us, not vice-versa), whereas liberals and socialists would not tend to agree with putting our foot down quite as often. If you have ever glanced at the Globe and Mail (remember Jan Wong or Lawrence Martin?), you'll know what I mean about liberal elitists in Toronto looking down on Quebec (and once again, that isn't to say that most liberals think this way). I wonder why nobody ever talks about them?

 

Anyways, if most Conservatives hated Quebecers, they certainly wouldn't have 11 seats in the province (especially not in entirely francophone regions like the Beauce, Rivere-du-Loup, Quebec City and Roberval).

 

I didn't say most conservative hate Québec; I said most people who hate Québec are conservative. Not the same thing. And by the way, 11 seats out of 75 is not a great result.

 

Anti-Québec Liberals aren't usually haters but more like "want to save us from ourselves". They are more condescending than hateful (which isn't much better).

 

 

And to get back on subject: to all of you who want to destroy Olympic Stadium, what would you put in its place? And where would the big events that take place in the Olympic Stadium go?

Modifié 5 juillet 2010 par ToxiK

[Cyrus]

When was the last time you went to that crappy neighborhood?

 

6 months? I was on Pie-IX for some reason... anyway even the woman I dated who lived there told me how "rough" it was, LOL

[Cyrus]

Actually yes, she did say bad things against Québec. She keeps feeding the mentality found in English Canada that Québécois can't do anything right. Almost the only times we hear about Québec in Canadian media is when there is talk about separation, when English people in Québec are "brutalized by the OLF or when things are not going well in Québec.

 

The Olympic Stadium was not a success. There were troubles building it and the tower wasn't finished for the Olympics (still, we had better Olympics then Toronto...). It was expensive to build and it still cost money and we can't agree what to do with it. The reaction in certain groups of people in Canada will be: "another proof that Québécois are incompetent". But if we were to demolish the stadium, the same groups of people (who usually are fans of Miss Kay and the National Post) will say: "What a bunch of idiots, they demolished a stadium that cost them more then a billion dollars and now they've got nothing. Why are we still sending those most of their money?"

 

By the way, the foreigner she complains about is from France, a country despised by the groups of people I mentioned earlier...

 

Toxik you are going all over the place. Kay firstly lives in Montreal, so how anti-Quebec could she be, paying those damn taxes in this backward place

 

She also was giving plaudits to the Quebec government for the "niqab bill" just recently, so I don't see any reason that she would be "knee-jerk" anti-Quebec.

 

The National Post is the best newspaper, just buy a copy and look how nicely the pages are laid out, sorry nobody else can compete. It's sexy. Except maybe La Presse but it is full of liberal hippy crap writing (with the occasional good opinion)

 

I think one of the major problems in Quebec society is this kind of paranoia / low self-esteem that the majority appear to possess. Everyone is against Quebec, Quebec drivers are the worst drivers, nobody is going to speak French in 5 years even though it lasted 200 years in a English colony/dominion... I don't know where the hell it comes from but like any individual that has such a mental arrangement, it is self-harming. The government feeds on it though, nobody worries about taxes or the major debt problems, being a have-not province, horrible competitivity, bad business climate, people fleeing the province, no it is only stupid veils or Anglos, etc. It is a very efficient diversion for the P(L)Q. We are very close to Greek levels of debt but nobody sees the iceberg. In 1970 there was not one penny of debt in Quebec!

 

You can definitely say that conservatives would not like the situation that Quebec is currently in. Which is just because the province is being run in a manner that is anything except conservative, literally being an "esti de BS"...

 

 

And to get back on subject: to all of you who want to destroy Olympic Stadium, what would you put in its place? And where would the big events that take place in the Olympic Stadium go?

 

That's the thing, they have all gone Molson Stadium, Bell Centre, "Quartier des Spectacles", even the Dix30 is taking events away ("Cavalia" they are doing now according to a ad on a bus today... what is that, a dog and pony show without the dog? LOL)... It would be a decent place for say the Impact to play but they have their own thing too...

Modifié 5 juillet 2010 par Cyrus