ville-marie Réaménagement du Quartier chinois

[vincethewipet]

Ce qui fait le quartier chinois, c'est plus que ce qui s'installe dans les édifices que les édifices eux-mêmes.

[urbino]

Je suis à Montréal depuis 1985 et j'ai vu pas mal d'investissements publics se faire dans la rue piétonne, les quatre arches d'entrée, la place entre le Palais des congrès et Guy-Favreau, la Place Sun Yat Sen. J'aurais aimé en voir un peu plus venant du privé. S'il y a présentement un dynamisme immobilier, tant mieux car ce quartier a malheureusement traditionnellement eu l'air délabré. Et d'un entretien douteux. (j'ai coutume de dire, plus ou moins en farce, que je ne vais pas dans le quartier chinois quand il fait plus de 25 celsius)

Modifié 28 février 2019 par urbino
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[vincenzo]

2 hours ago, Dominic723 said:

On commencera pas non plus a imposer une toiture en pagode a tous les nouveaux édifices du quartier pour ''rester plus Chinois''. L'histoire du quartier est très intéressante, cependant on peut pas forcer les choses non plus. Un quartier c'est organique, ça se transforme et il faut respecter cela.

Il ya a moyen sans imposer des toitures en pagode pour avoie une aire asiatique.

On ajuste a regarder les villes comme Tokyo et Soeu pour inspiration.

[GS999]

Il y a 4 heures, vincethewipet a dit :

Ce qui fait le quartier chinois, c'est plus que ce qui s'installe dans les édifices que les édifices eux-mêmes.

Je pense qu'il faut mettre en valeur ce qui existe présentement et bien gérer ce qui se construit à l'intérieur et immédiatement au côté du quartier.

Je ne suis pas chinois et j'aimerais bien que ce quartier reprenne des forces. 

[Dominic723]

Il y a 6 heures, vincenzo a dit :

Il ya a moyen sans imposer des toitures en pagode pour avoie une aire asiatique.

On ajuste a regarder les villes comme Tokyo et Soeu pour inspiration.

Oui des villes asiatiques qui ne sont pas chinoise... 🙄

[champdemars]

Il y a 11 heures, Dominic723 a dit :

Oui des villes asiatiques qui ne sont pas chinoise... 🙄

Oui. Comme le quartier chinois de Montréal qui est en réalité un quartier asiatique et de moins en moins chinois.

 

[paulmtl]

Le 2019-02-28 à 00:23, steve_36 a dit :

Je dois avouer que je ne comprends pas vraiment le but de leur pétition. Moi aussi j'aimerais garder le caractère chinois ou asiatique du quartier. Je suis pour que les instances mettre les efforts dans ce sens. mais il ne faut pas être contre la densification, au contraire.  

Moi je crois principalement que c'est aussi une question de taxation les propriétaires du quartier chinois ne veulent pas voir monter leurs comptes de taxes municipales. 

 

 

[vincenzo]

I would like the city to develop a master plan/strategy and a fund in the form of subsidies for special areas of the city, such as Chinatown, Little Italy, Prince Arthur, Red light district, etc, to help the merchants develop the area towards that plan.

[MtlMan]

Citation

Is the Montreal’s downtown building boom a threat or an opportunity for Chinatown? 

 

Community members are divided, with some saying it’s high time for the historic neighbourhood to get a reset, while others want a moratorium on development.

“Downtown Montreal is thriving — Chinatown should be thriving too,” said businessman Bill Wong, a member of a newly founded business group, the Conseil de développement du Quartier Chinois de Montréal.

“I think what we really need is some major projects in Chinatown, especially from the Chinese community itself,” he said.

“We have to have a plan to tell the public that Chinatown is open for business,” he said.

But May Chiu, a member of the Progressive Chinese of Quebec, is calling on the city to halt all future development projects until the entire community has been consulted.

“Chinatown is more than just merchants,” said Chiu, a lawyer who previously served as director of Chinese Family Service of Montreal.

“We also really want the seniors, the residents, the community centres, the artists, the cultural workers, the social service organizations and the churches to all be able to participate,” she said.

Ten days ago, Chiu’s group launched a petition calling for a moratorium on development in the district, the city’s oldest outside of Old Montreal, with heritage buildings dating back to the 1820s.

Variously a Scottish, Irish and Jewish neighbourhood, it became a hub for the Chinese community in the last quarter of the 19th century, when Cantonese immigrants arrived from Western Canada, where they had mined or built the railway, and opened laundries and other small businesses.

Chinatown lost one-quarter of its land area in the 1970s, when the federal government expropriated it to build the Complexe Guy-Favreau, completed in 1983. In 1985, the city of Montreal further curtailed the district by banning its expansion east of St-Laurent Blvd.

Today, with new condo towers hemming it in — including a hotel-residential building at the corner of Viger Ave. and St-Laurent — concerned residents want to know what’s in store, said Chiu, whose group protested last year against the city’s closing of the underused Chinese Community & Cultural Centre Of Montreal on Clark St.

She called for “a transparent, inclusive and participatory process for the elaboration of a development plan for Chinatown.”

After months of trying to get information from the city, the group will meet on April 1 with Robert Beaudry, the executive committee member responsible for economic development and a councillor in the downtown Ville-Marie borough.

But Wong said his group, which has met regularly with Beaudry, opposes a moratorium.

“The more you talk, the more you stall development. When you put a moratorium. everything stops,” he said.

“We have a lot of investors from China ready to invest in Chinatown but they don’t know how,” he added.

Wong envisions a spruced-up neighbourhood with changing seasonal décors like Chinese lanterns, redesigned signage, restaurants specializing in different Chinese cuisines, large, renovated stores selling Asian ingredients and a multi-storey parking garage.

Empty lots, mostly around the perimeter of Chinatown, need to be developed, Wong said.

“We need to work together with all the developers to see how we are going to put up high rises and condos,” he said.

Just as China has evolved into an economic superpower, it’s time “to bring Chinatown into the 21st century,” he said.

“What I’d really like to see is that the Chinese community should be the focal point that could bring Canada, Quebec and especially Montreal closer to China,” Wong said.

Steve Shanahan, a former city councillor and now a consultant working with the Conseil de développement, said the group has the support of three-quarters of the district’s property owners and commercial tenants.

Shanahan questioned the need for a moratorium when no development plan has been announced yet.

“It’s kind of like killing the egg before it hatches,” he said.

But Dinu Bumbaru, policy director of Heritage Montreal, said that while good planning is a preferable to a moratorium, the gigantic scale of many recent real-estate projects is worrisome.

“The idea of a moratorium always scares people, but it’s difficult to do urban planning when you’ve already awarded a whole bunch of permits (for development projects),” he said.

Chiu said the future of Chinatown is important for all Montrealers.

“You don’t have to be Chinese to appreciate Chinatown. Whatever your interest is, whether it’s culture, or art, or history, there’s something there for everybody,” she said.

Permitting high-rise development in the heritage district “would be a huge mistake,” Chiu said.

“Just by sheer size of condo development, it will dwarf all the existing historic buildings. That’s why the moratorium is urgent,” she said.

mscott@postmedia.com

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/whither-chinatown-development-divides-community

[Dominic723]

Si la ville veut aider, elle pourrait donner un allègement de taxes aux proprios qui rénovent leur façade historique, cela durant une période déterminée. Et après 5ans la ville pourrait sévir en augmentant les taxes. Je sais que ça serait pas super populaire, mais on s'entend que certains bâtiment fond pitié et on peut pas se permettre de perdre d'autre bâtiment historique comme l'ancien cinéma qui a brulé...

De plus, un allégement conditionnel a une rénovation pourrait être étendu ailleurs en ville, car trop souvent une façade de pierre et brique sculptée dort sous de la tôle, ou à été défigurée dans les 60-70-80.