Le RIEN de l'Est (Ex-REM de l'Est)

[mtlurb]

il y a 21 minutes, TurboLed a dit :

http://www.metrodemontreal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=177180&sid=881fdcc8417b3d35ad0b06ee08948842#177180

C'était pas vraiment un rond-point à proprement parler...

Il faudrait trouver son entrevue aux franc tireurs. Il a explicitement dit que la 20 doit être un boulevard et qu’il doit y avoir un rond point avec une fontaine au milieu. 
 

https://thetvdb.com/series/the-sharp-shooters/episodes/4831613

 

Meme dans la discussion sur ce forum, ça dit bien que ce plan ne viens pas de lui. 
 

[Corbeau]

Le 2023-08-18 à 22:10, johan a dit :

Richard Bergeron a toujours été quelqu'un qui refroidissait le peuple d'où la raison qu'il n'a jamais réussi à faire élire à la Mairie son Bébé, Projet Montréal...

Mais, faut le dire, son projet de ligne de Tramway dans le Vieux-Port qui remonte Côtes-Des-Neiges jusqu'à l'Oratoire... Du génie!

Je me rappelle quand on suggérait un tramway sur Parc et CdN

 

[Brick]

il y a 11 minutes, Corbeau a dit :

Je me rappelle quand on suggérait un tramway sur Parc et CdN

 

Parc et CDN seraient propices à un tramway à mon avis. 

[ToxiK]

Il y a 2 heures, Corbeau a dit :

Personne va utiliser un tramway à la place du métro.

Personne ne va utiliser un tramway tout court sur un trajet de 20 km avec une durée de 1h30...

[SameGuy]

Honestly, it just depends how fast it goes. The interior of a low floor tram is almost identical to the interior of a high floor vehicle like our new REM. A modern tram vehicle in a grade-separated right-of-way is easily capable of speeds over 80 km/h. Somehow, way too many people (who should know better) keep conflating modern trams with slow running street cars. Tens of thousands of people a day have no trouble riding long distances (Montmorency to downtown, anyone?) in our narrow, stuffy Metro, that averages less than 40 km/h, but I guess because it's underground, it's acceptable.

[ToxiK]

il y a 13 minutes, SameGuy a dit :

Honestly, it just depends how fast it goes. The interior of a low floor tram is almost identical to the interior of a high floor vehicle like our new REM. A modern tram vehicle in a grade-separated right-of-way is easily capable of speeds over 80 km/h. Somehow, way too many people (who should know better) keep conflating modern trams with slow running street cars. Tens of thousands of people a day have no trouble riding long distances (Montmorency to downtown, anyone?) in our narrow, stuffy Metro, that averages less than 40 km/h, but I guess because it's underground, it's acceptable.

It will not only depend on speed but also on how many intersections and stops it has.  The "SRB" on des Laurentides in Laval is pretty fast, but they slowed it down because busses now have to slow down at every intersection (even if there is no stop and the light is green) in case someone crosses when it is not their turn (good thing there are not many cyclists there or we would see way more unauthorized crossings...).  This is not a problem with underground or elevated systems. 

Also, with a tram (even a modern faster one) everyone will want a stop (a "we paid a lot for this system, we deserve our stop too" attitude).  Look at all the complaining a mtlurb member that should remain nameless for the moment is doing with the delays with the Griffintown-Bernard-Landry station.  Imagine how much pressure there will be if a stop is relatively easy to add.  The REM-B had about a dozen of stations and no crossings, so not much slowing down, so it would get a higher average speed than a tramway could, even a modern one.

I am not against tramways, but it needs to be at the right place.

[SameGuy]

15 minutes ago, ToxiK said:

It will not only depend on speed but also on how many intersections and stops it has

As I said, "conflate." In a segregated right-of-way, there are no intersections. Modern trams may be on the road, but in a separate right of way and with controlled intersections, but often they also run fully-grade separated on longer stretches. "How fast" = "what is the average speed." 

[Corbeau]

à l’instant, SameGuy a dit :

As I said, "conflate." In a segregated right-of-way, there are no intersections. Modern trams may be on the road, but in a separate right of way and with controlled intersections, but often they also run fully-grade separated on longer stretches. "How fast" = "what is the average speed." 

How will people cross the street at intersections?

[Brick]

il y a 9 minutes, SameGuy a dit :

As I said, "conflate." In a segregated right-of-way, there are no intersections. Modern trams may be on the road, but in a separate right of way and with controlled intersections, but often they also run fully-grade separated on longer stretches. "How fast" = "what is the average speed." 

Et à San Francisco, ils n’attendent pas…

Modifié 20 août 2023 par Brick

[SameGuy]

They also siht on the sidewalks there so...