ville mont-royal Royalmount

[acpnc]

Toute cette discussion me fait penser que si tout ce beau monde mettaient leurs têtes ensemble, il y aurait une possibilité de revoir de fond en comble le secteur ayant pour limite la 40 au nord, la 15 à l'est, les rails du CP au sud et la cour de triage ou prolongement de Cavendish à l'ouest. Il serait possible d'y planifier un super secteur TOD couvrant les stations de Métro et de la Savanne, une nouvelle station de train de banlieue de l'AMT et possiblement une ligne de tramway sur Jean-Talon. Mais qui a la vision pour mettre en marche un tel méga-projet???

 

Les organismes de planification existent, les principaux intéressés sont la Communauté Métropolitaine de Montréal http://cmm.qc.ca/qui-sommes-nous/institution/ et bien sûr la Ville de Montréal et les autres villes de l'île. Il y a aussi les plans d'urbanismes qui donnent une excellente idée du potentiel de développement futur et qui sont des guides précieux de planification régionale.

 

Le problème c'est que certaines villes tentent de se développer en vase clos sans tenir compte de l'ensemble territorial. Il faut donc absolument encadrer leur pouvoir politique afin qu'il soit au diapason du développement économique de la région. Si une ville choisit son indépendance politique, comme c'est le cas avec Ville-Mont-Royal, cela ne la décharge pas de ses responsabilités régionales. Ainsi, seule une planification globale permet un développement harmonieux qui profitera à tout le monde sur l'île.

 

Ville Mont-Royal ne doit pas alors se laisser séduire par un investissement d'importance, sans tenir compte des conséquences déstabilisantes qui pourraient survenir bien au-delà de son petit territoire. Ici dans le cas qui nous intéresse, on parle d'un méga-centre commercial qui viserait à attirer des consommateurs de toute la région. Un phénomène qui dépasse largement le mandat de cette petite ville de moins de 20,000 citoyens complètement enclavée dans la ville de Montréal.

 

Dans un monde idéal, cette municipalité ferait logiquement partie d'un arrondissement montréalais et aurait une voix proportionnelle à sa démographie. Les libéraux en ont décidé autrement, en acceptant la défusion des villes qui souhaitaient garder leur indépendance vis à vis de Montréal. Une aberration politique qui nous conduit justement aujourd'hui à certaines décisions autonomes qui vont à l'encontre des intérêts de la majorité.

 

C'est ce qui fait que le grand Montréal soit si difficile à gérer. Parce que les visions individualistes priment trop souvent sur les vues d'ensemble et que l'on confond généralement les intérêts politiques avec l'économie locale. Tant que Québec n'aura pas le courage de rééquilibrer les forces en présence, Montréal sera constamment en conflit avec ses composantes et devra lutter énergiquement pour préserver ses acquis et planifier adéquatement son avenir.

 

Donc avant même d'accepter le principe de ce projet encore hautement hypothétique. Il faut sérieusement se demander s'il contribuera réellement à enrichir la communauté dans son ensemble, ou ne sera pas un simple mirage qui aura finalement fait plus de tort que de bien à l'économie montréalaise.

[MtlMan]

Un autre exemple de l'absurdité des défusions. Ville Mont-Royal,, plus près du cv que Montréal-Nord, mais "indépendante" et qui fait ce qu'elle veut sur son petit territoire merdique.

 

Encore bravo Charest pour ce leg catastrophique.....

[ScarletCoral]

Lors du conseil de l'arrondissement Sud-Ouest, une motion a été adoptée à l'unamité contre le projet Quinze40

 

http://projetmontreal.org/commerce-local/rues-commerciales/motion-pour-la-protection-et-le-renforcement-des-arteres-commerciales-du-sud-ouest/

[ScarletCoral]

via The Gazette

 

T.M.R. citizens concerned over mayor's defence of Quinze40 project, work with lobbyists

 

Linda Gyulai, Montreal Gazette

Published on: April 7, 2015

 

Graphic showing the 70-hectare location for the future Quinze40 shopping complex located near the intersection of Décarie Blvd. and Highway 40 (Metropolitan) in Town of Mount-Royal (TMR).

Jeanine Lee / Montreal Gazette

 

With the unveiling of a proposal for the Quinze40 mega mall in Town of Mount Royal expected before the end of the month, the presence of lobbyists in the project approval process is stoking a separate controversy from the usual debate around the pros and cons of development.

 

A group of residents who have been critical of other urban planning matters in the town of 20,000 residents have taken issue with the mayor, Philippe Roy, at council meetings and in letters to the editor in the local newspaper about who knew what and spoke up when about Quinze40.

 

At least four lobbyists have been listed in Quebec’s lobbying registry as having mandates from the developer, Immobilier Carbonleo Inc., since the fall of 2012 to convince T.M.R.’s mayor and council to change the local zoning to permit the mixed commercial and office development where Highways 15 and 40 (the Décarie and Métropolitain expressways) intersect in the town’s industrial sector.

 

Yet word of the project only filtered out in media reports in February. And the mayor says his caucus and he have only met with the project developer, and did so only once, about six months ago.

 

The dust-up, Roy says himself, may be about his career outside of politics with a lobbying firm, though the firm itself has nothing to do with the mega mall project.

 

“If I worked for a law firm, people wouldn’t ask the question at all whether it’s normal that I make a living as a lawyer, even though the town hires lawyers sometimes,” Roy, who is also a lawyer, said.

 

With lobbying, however, “you could say people are afraid a bit of it,” he said. “It raises questions.”

 

The website for the company he works for, Ryan Affaires publiques, describes its activities as “strategic communications and governmental relations.”

 

The firm was started by Patrice Ryan, son of former provincial Liberal cabinet minister Claude Ryan, and a minority shareholder is a firm belonging to former federal Liberal cabinet minister and organizer Rémi Bujold.

 

“Our clients call on us when it comes time to convince their interlocutors and the government of the merits of their arguments,” the website says in French.

 

However, Roy said the firm hasn’t taken mandates that involve T.M.R. or the municipal world since he became mayor in 2010, and Carbonleo isn’t a client.

 

Indeed, the last public mention of Roy wearing his firm’s hat is in news articles in March 2010, when he handled media relations for the firm Construction Frank Catania.

 

Roy, who was a T.M.R. councillor then and became interim mayor in April 2010, also said he hasn’t engaged in lobbying even off the island of Montreal. His role, he said, involves communications and “strategic advice” to the firm’s clients, which are largely in the mining sector, he said.

 

However, for Michel Faure, a town resident and one of Roy’s critics, the issues of Roy’s career and questions about the town’s support for the Quinze40 project are intertwined as the critics contend Roy has been too enthusiastic about the Quinze40 project, and before Carbonleo has even made public its proposal.

 

“The trust is broken,” Faure said. “He’s acting like a lobbyist, like a spokesperson, rather than as a mayor. That’s the substance of the matter.”

 

What has come up at council question period and in a local paper recently is the timeline of when Roy spoke in support of the Quinze40 project.

 

The project’s existence was leaked to the media on Feb. 3, at which time Roy told 24 Heures newspaper the project was “excellent news” for T.M.R.’s industrial sector and would create economic spinoffs equivalent to about 10 per cent of the town’s revenue.

 

Roy, however, answering a question from Faure at a council meeting in March, said he defended the project only when Montreal city hall opposition leader Luc Ferrandez came out against the shopping mall proposal. That was on Feb. 9.

 

The difference is less than a week, but the lapse raises questions about what prompted Roy to defend the project before it was criticized, Faure said.

 

Meanwhile, Roy said T.M.R. is already working on a detailed urban plan for the sector to accommodate the mall project and added the developer has an impact study that will refute Ferrandez’s argument that a mega mall would hurt downtown businesses.

 

Roy and his caucus, which is made up of all but council’s lone independent councillor, met with two Carbonleo representatives, company secretary Andrew Lutfy, and Claude Marcotte, in October or November about the project, Roy said. Lutfy, Marcotte and company president Jean-François Breton are registered in Quebec’s lobbyist registry to contact T.M.R. about the project since January 2014.

 

Roy said it’s “normal” for the caucus to meet with property owners who want to test the waters about a project.

 

“For the Quinze40, they came to see us with the outline of the project and said ‘We’d like to do a project that’ll be this and that. Are you in favour of us moving in this direction or tell us right away if you don’t want this and just want car dealerships (in the industrial park). Are we moving in the right direction?’ We said Yes.”

 

However, closed-door caucus approvals don’t sit well with T.M.R.’s independent councillor, Louis Dumont. “It’s an enormous difference,” he said. “The caucus has no decision-making power. It’s the council that governs and makes decisions.”

 

Roy said he only met once with the developers, even though Marcotte, while he was a senior associate of the urban planning firm Groupe IBI, is also listed in the lobbyist registry with a mandate from Carbonleo from November 2012 to the end of 2013 to lobby T.M.R.’s mayor and council to change the zoning for the project.

 

The lobbyist registry also lists Marie-Ève Harvey of Groupe IBI/DAA Inc. with a one-year mandate from Carbonleo starting in April 2014 to lobby T.M.R. for the project.

Roy said he’s never heard of her.

 

The registry also has André Bouthillier, of Cohn & Wolfe, with a mandate from Carbonleo from Feb. 3 to June 30 for the project.

Roy said he’s not met with Bouthillier.

 

“I feel at ease,” Roy said. “Since I’ve been mayor, I work for a lobbying firm, but I don’t do any more lobbying. I don’t do lobbying.”

lgyulai@montrealgazette.com

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[SKYMTL]

Amen!

 

To make matters worse, that area indicated has FUNCTIONING offices. Investor's Group, Pagenet, Cardiogenix Health Care, TD, Aviron, Pazzaz Printing and many other business are still around in that zone. These aren't derelict buildings we're talking about.

 

Is the city poposing to pay for their relocation? As it stands, it is hard enough to get business set up here and now we're talking about land exporpriation that leads to landlords kicking their corporate tenants out? It just doesn't make sense.

 

Meanwhile, Blue Bonnets just sits there with a pie-in-the-sky development plan that'll never pan out.

[SkahHigh]

Par contre, questionner l'intégrité du maire c'est un peu fort. Je le connais personnellement et je peux vous assurer que c'est un homme de famille intègre, très apprécié par la majorité des résidents et qui ne veut que le mieux pour sa ville.

[nephersir7]

Amen!

 

To make matters worse, that area indicated has FUNCTIONING offices. Investor's Group, Pagenet, Cardiogenix Health Care, TD, Aviron, Pazzaz Printing and many other business are still around in that zone. These aren't derelict buildings we're talking about.

 

Is the city poposing to pay for their relocation? As it stands, it is hard enough to get business set up here and now we're talking about land exporpriation that leads to landlords kicking their corporate tenants out? It just doesn't make sense.

 

What makes you think that they wouldn't be office tenants in the Quinze40 project?

[ronald.houde]

What makes you think that they wouldn't be office tenants in the Quinze40 project?

My thoughts, exactly. The Quartier Quinze40 can integrate existing owners and tenants without much heartache.

[ronald.houde]

Par contre, questionner l'intégrité du maire c'est un peu fort. Je le connais personnellement et je peux vous assurer que c'est un homme de famille intègre, très apprécié par la majorité des résidents et qui ne veut que le mieux pour sa ville.

C'est assez moyen, oui. On va chercher pas mal creux dans le nombril d'une soeur un peu trop imaginaire à mon goût. 80p

[MARTY]

I am really fed up with all these f'en nimbys. I worked on Devonshire facing Kraft foods form 1978 to 1996 when my company finally moved to a location near Ikea. This area is a DEAD zone...After 5 pm there is absolutely nothing going on. The only activity was from people parking around the area heading to Blue Bonnets.Now that the raceway has been closed for years the area is a wasteland. Wait until the CPR Cote st Luc yards close, and they will. This will become a no mans land. So we have a developer with deep pockets and great connections who wants to redevelop the whole area and people are against it???? What the fuck is wrong with people? Billions and billions of dollars being planned for investment and people are against it. Holy crap just close the fuckin city and let nature take irts course.

 

Other cities like Detroit , Buffalo, Flint, Milwaukee, etc etc etc would sell their souls to get these type of projects but no not here we listen to fuckin citizen groups that are concerned about their fuckin front lawns. I am for responsible well thought out city development planning as well as making sure that the developers are seriously committed and have the financial means and backing. However, let's not start shitting on every project that some well meaning business that wants to make money and also make a positive addition to the community's fabric presents for approval. Let's encourage these developers and help them to modify and perfect the projects.

 

This project if it goes ahead, will generate interest in the surronding areas...yes, Blue Bonnets included. Some people mention Blue Bonnets first but don't forget Blue Bonnets is land locked by the Expressways and this dead zone and the Cote St. Luc Yards. So open the dead zone and Blue Bonnets has a new fresh opening that will invite more investors and eventually the CPR yards will also be developed.. Anyways I hope that this project gets the go ahead.:shiftyeyes::shiftyeyes::shiftyeyes::shiftyeyes:

Modifié 8 avril 2015 par MARTY