ville-marie Imperia - 22 étages

[la1994]

Il y a 13 heures, Doctor D a dit :

Boston was the same until they put it underground with the famous "Big Dig". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig

Seattle had the same problem and is taking the same action. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Route_99_tunnel

Do Miami next, half the city is a goddamn interchange

[Internist]

Good luck building a tunnel in Miami… you better have good pumps! The underground water is ridiculously close the the surface, and the city is barely above sea level with rising sea levels and frequent hurricanes that are only predicted to get worse and worse…

[Elv13]

Il y a 16 heures, Doctor D a dit :

Seattle had the same problem and is taking the same action. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Route_99_tunnel

(I live in Seattle right now, thanks COVID... Waiting for the border to re-open to get the **ck out of here. Any day now....)

To be fair, Seattle highways don't cut into the city center. Beside the enormous inter-exchange in the industrial district, the downtown highways are on the "side" of small cliffs. Think like Ville Marie between Guy and Turcot. The shoreline is still a mess now that the waterfront HW is gone. The whole downtown is a mess. They could add 10 highways and it would not make it much worst. It is dead after dark and very dangerous place to be. There are thousands (yes, that bad) of tents on every sidewalks, so you have to walk in the streets.

 

I think the lack of affordable and student housing is the main difference. Not having space for people like Quartier des Spectacles also doesn't help. It's a mix of office space and luxury condos/apartment towers for single people or young couples. As soon as anyone has a family, they leave. Anyone outside of the corporate middle class cannot afford to live there. Those people don't go out because it is dangerous. So the little "downtown energy" is spread around some neighborhoods around downtown like Capital Hill, Fremont and Ballard. All of them are segregated by highways, boat canals or total lack of public transit access. They are also spaced by quiet neighborhood full of WW2 era single family houses (to match the order above: First Hill, Queen Anne and Magnolia).

 

So I don't think it is comparable to Montreal HW. Midwest and western cities are built for cars. The downtown highways is the result of this, not the cause. They don't have the density to support a Montreal/Paris/London/Vienna/Berlin/Barcelona "downtown energy". Removing the HW, such as in the picture above, did nothing to revitalize downtown. Yes, they will add a linear park and stuff (there is no other park downtown beside maybe Denny ways), but people wont go and it will turn into another shanty town.

 

(as for MTL, the waterfront is a tourist trap, it doesn't qualify as "part of downtown")

[swansongtoo]

With this project and 980 Sainte Antoine being torn down for new construction wondering if this may not be the start of a new trend.

[Rocco]

9 minutes ago, swansongtoo said:

With this project and 980 Sainte Antoine being torn down for new construction wondering if this may not be the start of a new trend.

Maybe in 50 years thats whats gonna happen to PVM... Et ce sera sûrement plus haut que le Mont-Royal. I'll be very old and grumpy by then.. not sure my heart will be able to take it.

[KOOL]

Il y a 2 heures, Kolev3000 a dit :

C'est parti !

 

Et ça le sera bientôt dans tous les sens du terme. Merci pour le scoop. 

[eastender85]

Source : Facebook Montreal past n present

[Dominic723]

C'est pas la démolition la plus propre ou verte qu'on a vu... on s'entend qu'ils auraient pu vider les pièces avant de démolir les murs et déconstruire par l'intérieur au-lieu de juste tout défaire et commencer par les murs...

[acpnc]

Il y a 11 heures, Dominic723 a dit :

C'est pas la démolition la plus propre ou verte qu'on a vu... on s'entend qu'ils auraient pu vider les pièces avant de démolir les murs et déconstruire par l'intérieur au-lieu de juste tout défaire et commencer par les murs...

Je suis tout à fait d'accord, surtout quand on sait que tout le matériel se retrouvera à la déchetterie. C'est effectivement irresponsable de ne pas tenter de récupérer ce qui peut l'être en cette ère de crise environnementale. Un geste complètement contraire aux pratiques que l'on essaie d'inculquer à la population et une action déplorable qui traduit un manque total de conscience sociale.

[Norman]

7 hours ago, acpnc said:

Je suis tout à fait d'accord, surtout quand on sait que tout le matériel se retrouvera à la déchetterie. C'est effectivement irresponsable de ne pas tenter de récupérer ce qui peut l'être en cette ère de crise environnementale. Un geste complètement contraire aux pratiques que l'on essaie d'inculquer à la population et une action déplorable qui traduit un manque total de conscience sociale.

En même temps c’est encore COGIR derrière cet immeuble. Quand on voit le humaniti, on sait qu’ils ne vont pas se prendre la tête à avoir les meilleurs standards de qualité