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It's a tower power play

 

By TOM TOPOUSIS

August 20, 2010

 

The battle for New York's skyline is on.

 

Operators of the Empire State Building have declared war on a proposed skyscraper that would sit just two blocks away and rise nearly as high -- calling it a "monstrosity" that would forever alter the Midtown skyline.

 

"The Empire State Building is the most important and single largest landmark -- with a capital 'L' -- in the city of New York," said Anthony Malkin, president of Malkin Holdings, which runs the 1931 skyscraper.

 

"Are people consciously making the decision that we want to radically change the skyline of New York? And if everyone is in agreement to change the skyline, is this the building with which to do it?"

 

His ire was directed at a proposed tower called 15 Penn Plaza at the site of the Hotel Pennsylvania at Seventh Avenue and 32nd Street. The 67-story, glass-walled tower would soar up to 1,216 feet -- 34 feet shorter than the Empire State Building.

 

The city's Planning Commission approved the project last month, allowing it to be more than double the size of what zoning allows, in part because developer Vornado Realty Trust would make improvements to subway stations below.

 

While the project won preliminary approval from planners, Vornado has said it will not begin construction until anchor tenants are found. A spokesman for Vornado declined comment.

 

The Planning Commission's decision moves to the City Council on Monday for a public hearing, where Malkin plans to press his battle. A final vote will be held by the full council on Wednesday.

 

During the July 14 vote by her panel, city Planning Commissioner Amanda Burden called 15 Penn Plaza "elegant." But Malkin said such a dramatic and permanent change to the city skyline needs far more deliberation.

 

"It's hard to imagine the city of Paris allowing a structure similar to 15 Penn Plaza to be erected within proximity of the Eiffel Tower," he said in a letter to City Councilman Mark Weprin (D-Queens), whose zoning subcommittee will hold Monday's hearing.

 

Malkin insisted his opposition wasn't motivated by the prospect of facing new competition for tenants. "It's not going to compete with us. It's in an entirely different price point," he said. "But this is like trying to put a size 22 foot in a size 12 shoe."

 

Amazing 'feet'

 

1. Empire State Building 1,250 feet

2. Bank of America Tower 1,200 feet

3. Chrysler Building 1,046 feet

4. New York Times Building 1,046 feet

5. American International Building 952 feet

 

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/it_tower_power_play_JoxzSuhj7KXqFgZaGHnbQI#ixzz0xASvzTrn

 

Je ne crois pas que ça soit une bonne idée de faire un édifice de cette taille et aussi massif que cela tout près de l'empire state building. Cela gacherait la silhouette du skyline de New York.

 

Cela me rappel Philadelphie ou il y avait 2 ou 3 beaux édifices avec des formes similaires, les one liberty place et two liberty place, qui composaient le skyline de laville et maintenant, depuis quelques années, un ''mastodonte'' plus haut et plus massif que les autres est venu gaché le tout. Comme quoi ce n"est pas que la hauteur qui compte.

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15 Park Plaza n'est pas si proche que ça. Les adversaires du projet vont toujours poster des images avec les deux édifices collés, mais la même chose peut se faire avec n'importe quel autre édifice.

 

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C'est du gros bla bla pour rien, selon moi.

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Très intéressant, cet ajout à mon avis, pour la ville.

 

Je note surtout ceci: "

The city's Planning Commission approved the project last month, allowing it to be more than double the size of what zoning allows, in part because developer Vornado Realty Trust would make improvements to subway stations below. "

 

À Vancouver, c'est l'aménagement de places publiques. Est-ce possible à Montréal?

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Peu importe la taille du gratte ciel proposé, demolir l'Hotel Pennsylvania, c'est vraiment, mais vraiment stupide quant à moi. C'est pas le Waldorf ou le Plaza, mais l'Hotel Pennsylvania est quand meme un édifice beau et sobre, qui fait penser à l'ancien Penn Station.

 

..et, pour moi, c'est un edifice qui me rappelle beaucoup de souvenirs. Le soir apres mon "Senior Prom", ma compagne et moi ont pris le train pour New York pour passer la nuit à l'Hotel Pennsylvania avec l'un l'autre et quelques bouteilles de freixenet.

 

Déprimant de voir ce vieux hotel rasé pour une tour de bureau sans âme. :(

 

 

15 Park Plaza n'est pas si proche que ça. Les adversaires du projet vont toujours poster des images avec les deux édifices collés, mais la même chose peut se faire avec n'importe quel autre édifice.

 

C'est pas mal proche, en fait. Et, vue de l'ouest (New Jersey), la tour proposée cacherait completement l'Empire State building.

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Très intéressant, cet ajout à mon avis, pour la ville.

 

Je note surtout ceci: "

The city's Planning Commission approved the project last month, allowing it to be more than double the size of what zoning allows, in part because developer Vornado Realty Trust would make improvements to subway stations below. "

 

À Vancouver, c'est l'aménagement de places publiques. Est-ce possible à Montréal?

 

Richard Bergeron abondait dans le même sens en disant que la ville serait plus permissive si des garderies ou autres sont intégrés aux projets proposés.

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Just curious, when you compare Manhattan and Toronto's skyline, which one looks most impressive? I think Manhattan's does, but I'm not that impressed with the quality of architecture I see in Manhattan compared to Toronto, in terms of residential towers.

In Toronto, though there are many banal condo towers, there are some that are well designed and give off an aura of sleek modernity. In contrast, New York has a lot of uninspiring condo towers, that are really tall, but that's it. I noticed that on my last trip to New York down from Toronto and I have a new appreciation for some of the condo towers in Toronto. Even the ones in Vancouver and Calgary are nicer than most I saw in Manhattan. You would think New York would be the place that would excel in this category, but in my opinion Toronto, and to a lesser extent Vancouver and Calgary have New York beat for style of condo towers.

 

Do you agree?

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C'est pas mal proche, en fait. Et, vue de l'ouest (New Jersey), la tour proposée cacherait completement l'Empire State building.

 

Les amis du Empire State Building? Wtf?

 

Le 15 Penn Plaza est à ~750m du ESB. Ce n'est pas si proche que ça, considérant la densité à Midtown Manhattan.

 

Le ESB est déjà caché par nombreux d'édifices, et ce, de plusieurs angles. Je regrette, mais le ESB ne sera pas caché du New Jersey sauf pour une petite zone. Une miniscule ligne grise représente les endroits ou le ESB ne sera plus visible.

 

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