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Yeah they were working on opening Jean-Yves when I passed by around noon. Finally! Also, while the pictures show relative scale (people and cars etc), again, it just seems even more massive in person, such as when driving under the structure coming down the eastbound Ste-Marie ramp.

Pictures don't do justice to the wooden slats, especially on the highway side facing the sun. Much nicer in person.

Jean-Yves was ready to open today. It's been so long I almost forgot it existed. There was some confusion as the signage company was removing barricades and signs, and marshals were getting distracted: some cars tried to turn onto the street, while others were kind of confused and hesitated whether to turn or to continue to the RioCan parking as we've been doing for almost two years. I didn't stick around to see whether the street was finally opened or not, but as of noon it was not yet open.

And I hate to say it, but it's because of the mega merger. NYC did it in the 70s and it nearly destroyed the City. The inner boroughs only started to bounce back around the Obama Era. They're the Emerald City once again. We did our shitty merger BS in the early 2000s and it'll take us a good 40 years to see the light on the other side.

NYC des années 70/80. Sad.

"And this is why we can't have nice things"

It looks like Fairview and any of a hundred other malls in North America.

It's huge.

It looks like under the Ville Marie expressway...

To be fair, they could build it with cut-and-cover, and the trench while under construction would still be an improvement over the existing Taschereau stroad...

Irrelevant. The station is 80 m long. You're still sending a light metro 12 km, minimum, over farmland and forests and water to get to Vaudreuil. Please show me how many riders per day you think this would add. Whether it's $1 billion or $2 billion or $3 billion, that's not important. Tell me how you can justify spending more money than we are willing to pay our nurses and teachers and doctors and civil servants, for another vanity project, just to hope to entice a few drivers off the roads into Montreal. There is already a very very useful railway line from the centre of Vaudreuil to downtown. Why must we send a Metro out there instead of improving the railway line? Extending the metro 12 km over fields and farms and woods and water will do absolutely zero to improve service to the rest of Montreal; spending money to improve the exo11 line would be beneficial to a minimum of 500,000 potential riders, not the 1500 who might want to get in and out of the city once in a while from Vaudreuil. What is this mania that we must absolutely send metros out into far off exurbs? Villages that would be adequately served by rapid bus lines or even by improving existing suburban train lines?

THERE IS ALREADY A TRAIN THERE. Just because we are building a bridge doesn't mean you should throw $2 billion or $3 billion into a light metro over 12 km of farms and forests and water. Where are the studies that say a station there could ever possibly justify spending $3 billion? You can't just do it because you think it would be glorious! It's idiotic in the extreme, just like putting $1 billion or $2 billion into that dilapidated stadium in the East End without a tenant. If you can tell me that 100,000 people a day will take this metro from Vaudreuil, then it might be worth $3 billion. But if studies show that ridership would only double compared to exo Vaudreuil Station – even though it would cannibalize from the exo11 line – on what planet can we justify spending $3 billion?

It's all sand along the north shore.

My point is that it makes ZERO sense to spend billions to send a metro 12+ km over farmlands and wooded areas (and a lake) to a small exurb to potentially serve 3000 riders a day, when there is a suburban train line ALREADY THERE.

Strangely, the spoken English and French of Baie-Comois PMs is vastly superior that of Shawiniganais and Outremontais PMs.

Listening to my français is like death by a thousand cuts.

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Not blaming the photographer, but jeezus is that one hideous panorama of a particularly unphotogenic part of the city.

Ok, let's make it simpler: if the average cost per km for REM(-A) ends up being $120M, do you think the cost for the 39 km segment from Mile 0.0 to Mile 24.3 of the CNoR Two Mountains sub is more than $120M/km, or less than $120M/km?

But it's still illogical. The actual REM will likely cost $8 billion by the time it opens, an average of $120 million per km. If we consider that more than half of it is at-grade on a preexisting alignment – essentially track replacement and electrification – we can surmise that the new sections and elevated guideway likely cost substantially more. Let's be generous and assign a cost of $250 million per km (though REM-B was initially estimated at $330 million per km for similar works); that's $3 billion to extend from Morgan to near Vaudreuil station... to serve what potential ridership?? Vaudreuil station already serves just 1500 riders a day. If we apply the theory of induced demand and suggest that a frequent, fast, metro will attract more riders, can we guess how many that might be? Would it be double (3000/day)? Would it be more than if we spent maybe one-third of that cost to instead modernize and electrify the entire exo11 Vaudreuil line, that would benefit (and attract riders from) a basin of more than half a million residents and workers? Yet one more time: a 12 km metro over fields and woods and a lake to serve a small exurb makes no sense.

Why are we still talking about sending metros across lightyears of farmers' fields, but not to Lachine, Côte-St-Luc, Vieux-Rosemont, or Montréal-Nord? 🤦🏻‍♂️

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