Hyperloop

[franktko]

Why work here when I could go fetch an extra 10-20k over there for the same job?

 

Don't expect that round trip to cost 10$

[jesseps]

Weird, my post didn't get posted. The only this can work, is if they can move a lot of people per hour. The concept that Musk worked on was a 16 person vehicle. If that is true, I hope they can shuttle 16 people on a 5 minute basis. So that would move over 180+ people an hour. Which isn't the greatest.

 

As for the price, it be nice if it could be under $1000/month. AC has a 10 ticket passport to/from Toronto-Montreal for $1700+.

 

The future of transportation seems cool.

[monctezuma]

Very interesting proposition that jesse brought up! In theory, it would take the same time to do Montreal-Toronto via hyperloop than Mississauga-Toronto via the GO train , and even less time than further cities in the gta like Oakville, Hamilton, Markham, etc via the GO train.

 

Toronto salaries and opportunity for advancement, means more disposable income spent in Montreal while living in Montreal (all else being equal).

 

What effects do you guys think this will have on the Montreal job market though? It would probably weaken it? Why work here when I could go fetch an extra 10-20k over there for the same job?

 

I think this could only benefit our City.

 

Real Estate prices are cheaper here. We would become a subburb of Toronto and that could mean condo and housing boom for Montréal. However, I am not sure about the impact on commercial and industrial sectors. Yet, rents are a lot cheaper here than in Toronto so maybe we could experience as well an office boom ! CEO gets to live his big life in TO and only has to travel 30 min to go to work in AAA office downtown Montréal for half the price of a rent in downtown TO.

 

I think TO has a lot more to lose than Montréal in all of this, thanks for everything to be cheaper here than there.

[Kodun]

Le fly-in fly-out a fait exploser les prix de l'habitation à Edmonton, je ne vois pas pourquoi ce serait différent dans ce scénario, surtout si l'on envisage un transport de masse. Les lois du marché sont assez simples, y'a pas de magie.

[IluvMTL]

http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/1e21cf37-51a4-4433-beda-b75669e36333|6Aht-um9QwBL.html

 

[Davidbourque]

Après avoir vu ce vidéo qui explique vraiment a quel point le défi sera collosale, je me demande comment il faudra de temps pour résoudre tout les défi technique du projet. De plus, une fois réglé, est-ce que le projet sera toujours aussi économique ?

 

 

 

[fmfranck]

Le 6/14/2017 à 11:41, Davidbourque a dit :

Après avoir vu ce vidéo qui explique vraiment a quel point le défi sera collosale, je me demande comment il faudra de temps pour résoudre tout les défi technique du projet. De plus, une fois réglé, est-ce que le projet sera toujours aussi économique ?

 

 

 

C'est une des rares fois où il es utile de lire les commentaires d'un vidéo sur youture.

[playmind]

On 2017-6-14 at 11:41 AM, Davidbourque said:

Après avoir vu ce vidéo qui explique vraiment a quel point le défi sera collosale, je me demande comment il faudra de temps pour résoudre tout les défi technique du projet. De plus, une fois réglé, est-ce que le projet sera toujours aussi économique ?

 

 

 

Check out ce que qu'un ingénieur d'Hyperloop dit de cette vidéo... 

I've got this one. I have watched the video, and made copious notes. Thunderf00t is a well known youtube science commentator, best known for debunking religious fundamentalists and understanding the surface-maximization of liquid alkali metals, published in Nature last year.

That aside, both hyperloop videos show a complete reluctance to engage with the real arguments. Sorry, but highlighting some semi-literate comments by your critics does not amount to engaging in a useful discussion. I would like to levitate this video into the sun.

Here are some specific points and rebuttals: -Thunderf00t primarily makes reference to the Hyperloop alpha whitepaper, written by some SpaceX employees in 2013. I saw no evidence of engagement with subsequent press releases by any of the hyperloop companies. In particular, TF doesn't seem to be aware that there is more than one hyperloop company. FYI, we are Hyperloop One, the company that has raised ~$10⁸ and built the world's most powerful linear motor in 5 months. -Thunderf00t talks a good game about aerodynamics, but shows no evidence of even having read the wikipedia article on choked flow, duct flow, the Kantrowitz limit, or knowing any of the other 'first day on the job' level detail for our aero team. -One of Thunderf00t's technical gotchas was 'expansion joints are difficult', despite the fact that hydraulic cylinders exist, most steel rails are thermally pretensioned, and thermal expansion is probably something we thought of already. -Thunderf00t could have easily looked up our people on LinkedIn, checked their google scholar bona fides, whatever, but seemed more keen on a cheap take down than actually engaging with interesting and ongoing engineering challenges. -One symptom of the level of technical effort that went into TF's video is his careless assumption that 1g = 1m/s/s, as though Hyperloop was being built on some tiny moon of Jupiter. As a fellow academic, I was disappointed by TF's lack of intellectual humility in an area in which he is obviously not an expert. One would wonder why TF would put such hastily produced, easily debunked rubbish on his Patreon feed - people actually pay for that!

[Davidbourque]

Ce gars la a un format de vidéo de type "busted" ou il démonte des projets. Il n'avait pas trop le choix de respecté son format.

Mais j'ai lu les contre-argument et tout. Je ne dit pas que le projet est impossible (au contraire du vidéo) mais bel et bien que le défi technique est immense et les solutions pour palier aux problèmes ne sont pas évidente. Après tout ce n'est pas pour rien qu'on ne se déplace pas en hyperloop aujourd'hui.

Prenons juste l'exemple de faire le vide dans un tube de 400 KM de long. Ça prend soit une pompe extrêmement performante, ou un grand nombre de pompes. Il y a aussi la possibilité de compartimenté le tunnel pour facilité la création du presque vacuum mais ça complique beaucoup le fonctionnement. (Si une porte ne s'ouvre pas alors qu'on file a 1200 Km/h, ça va entraîner un freinage très rapide)

Ce qui me choque, c'est qu'on semble oublier à quel point le défi technique est colossale. Peux être plus grand que d'envoyer des gens dans l'espace. Alors quand on parle de ce projet comme d'un futur prolongement d'autoroute, ça passe un peu de travers.

Et comme je disais dans mon commentaire, la vrai question est: Une fois tout les défi technique resolut, Est-ce que ce moyen de transport sera encore avantageux versus l'Avion ou un TGV? Parce qu'on ne parle pas ici d'envoyer les premiers hommes sur la lune pour gagné une compétition, mais bel et bien d'en faire un service commercial rentable. 

Malgré tout, c'est une bonne chose de tenté l'expérience. Les solutions découverte durant le processus auront peux être des répercutions dans d'autre secteur de nos vie. 

Mais on ne peut pas nier qu'ils visent très haut et mieux vaut viser haut et ne pas l'atteindre que de viser bas et l'atteindre à tout coup. C'est comme ça qu'on deviens meilleurs. Musk la compris. Il rate souvent ces objectif (surtout au niveau des dates, par exemple ça fait quelques années qu'on aurait du voir voler la fameuse Falcon Heavy), mais en visant très haut, il se force a dépasser les limites. 

[IluvMTL]

https://hyperloop-one.com/blog/connecting-25-canadas-population-hyperloop

Connecting 25% of Canada’s Population with Hyperloop

Gretchen Ushakova

Strategic Communications

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Part of an ongoing series highlighting proposed routes from the Hyperloop One Global Challenge

Canada’s rugged coastlines, lofty mountains, sweeping plains, and tundra make up the second largest country (by total area) in the world. If you visit, you’ll see a lot of wide open space unless you’re just north of the Great Lakes. This is where you’ll find 1 out of every 4 Canadians, living in the metropolitan areas of Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal. This string of cities is at the heart of the so-called Windsor-Quebec Corridor and makes up the fourth most populous area in North America. The natural beauty of this corridor is being marred by a similar blight faced by many urban cities--crowded highways and traffic.

Traveling between Montreal and Toronto takes upwards of five grueling hours by car and there is no dedicated passenger rail line. The highway connections between the cities (Highway 417 and Highway 401) are the busiest in Canada. The annual average daily traffic on Highway 401 alone exceeds 450,000 vehicles within the City of Toronto and it never drops below 20,000 between urban centers along the route. Drivers in Montreal have the worst commute in the country, spending 52 hours in congestion annually. And things are getting worse: congestion between cities is set to grow by more than 6% by 2020.

A team in Canada led by transport leader AECOM Canada has its sights set on using a Hyperloop system to address this congestion and the lack of high-speed transport in the corridor. As one of the 35 semi-finalists in the Hyperloop One Global Challenge, the team outlined a future vision for a united and efficiently mobile Canadian mega-region.

“No mode of transportation has existing or planned capacity to accommodate the growth in traffic along this corridor,” according to AECOM Canada’s proposal. “By moving higher volumes of people in less time, Hyperloop could generate greater returns socially and provide much-needed capacity to accommodate the forecasted growth in demand for travel in the corridor.”

With Hyperloop, a trip between Toronto and Ottawa could be reduced to 27 minutes, Montreal to Ottawa in 12 minutes, and Toronto to Montreal in 39 minutes. Unlike air transport or even high-speed rail, Hyperloop makes the journey from city-center to city-center and enables direct, on-demand connections between the cities. This would position the region to rival major North American metropolitan areas to attract workers, visitors, businesses, investment, and ultimately increase competitive advantage in the global economy.

For example, the Québec-Ontario Life Sciences Corridor is already one of the largest bio-clusters in the world, with more than 1,100+ companies, 66,000 qualified workers, 490 undergraduate and graduate programs in biological and bio-medicine sciences and annual public and private medical research investments exceeding $1 billion. With tighter transport links, this corridor could become even more of a global industry magnet, similar to the Automation Valley in Germany or Silicon Valley in the United States.

Proposed Hyperloop route would connect Toronto to Montreal via Ottawa

Greening Transportation

The team also suggests that Hyperloop could help Canada meet its goals for reducing its carbon footprint. Transportation accounted for 24% of Canada’s total greenhouse gas emissions in 2015, second only to the oil and gas sector.

Canada has a strong commitment to reducing emissions and investing in new green transport modes is a high priority. Some 70% of the Quebec and Ontario energy today is produced by renewable energy, mostly hydro power. As an energy-agnostic transportation system, Hyperloop can be powered by hydro or other renewables and would be 100% emissions-free, a strong draw for transportation and urban planners.

Improved Trade Within Canada & United States

After connecting Canada’s three major Eastern cities, the next logical step for a Hyperloop network would be to extend into the U.S., west to Detroit from Windsor, Ontario, and east from   Quebec to Niagara Falls/Buffalo and on toward Chicago, New York, and Boston.

This extended network could open up dramatic opportunities to move freight and improve trade throughout the region. The Port of Montreal is the closest international container port to North America’s industrial heartland. The port serves more than 140 countries and handles more than 12.5 million tons of containerized commodities annually, 60% of which moves inland by truck or rail according to the group’s proposal.

Connecting the port to an extended network could enable long-haul deliveries to customers within hours instead of days throughout the extended network, dramatically overhauling current freight transport practices. It would also reduce existing freight infrastructure congestion.

Hyper-Fast Connections = Growing Canadian Economy

The Trudeau administration has demonstrated a strong commitment to investing in infrastructure with the aim of boosting Canada’s economy. The administration has created an infrastructure bank and pledged $81.2 billion CAD ($60.8 billion USD) in spending over the coming 12 years. These funds have been earmarked for public transit, trade and transportation corridors, and green infrastructure improvements.

A multi-billion dollar project to add dedicated rail lines and electrify commuter rail in the Toronto-Montreal corridor is receiving serious consideration but is currently facing challenges in acquiring land rights through a highly urbanized area. A Hyperloop system elevated on columns would require a much narrower footprint and, with speeds two to three times faster than high-speed rail and five to ten times faster than conventional rail, would offer a cheaper, faster, greener alternative to high-speed rail. Additionally, Hyperloop systems can create jobs and open up new economic opportunities within Canada in manufacturing, construction, and services sectors.

In concluding their pitch, the AECOM Canada team noted that the corridor has a highly educated and diverse workforce and a critical mass of service and manufacturing industry clusters. In their view, Hyperloop could “allow the three metro areas to draw from each other’s pools of talent, productive capability, innovation, and markets to increase the corridor’s competitive advantage in the world’s economy.” Daily commutes of one-tenth the time between these far-flung cities can ultimately help the region realize the potential of becoming a competitive mega-region.