Trains de banlieue - Discussion générale

[Chuck-A]

Franchement ?    Pourquoi avoir fait ce beau pavage, qui ne durera qu'un an et pour si peu d'usager (présentement).  Incroyable "exo"rbitant ! 

Commuter train stations recently re-paved on Deux-Montagnes line to be demolished next summer
By Dan Spector, Global News  |  Posted August 26, 2020 6:47 pm  |   Updated August 26, 2020 7:53 pm

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/0b5272be-e7e8-11ea-9768-0242ac110002/?jwsource=cl
WATCH: Usually a freshly completed paving job is a good thing, but as Global’s Dan Spector explains, work recently completed at commuter train stations on the Deux-Montagnes exo line is drawing criticism from commuters.

Usually a freshly completed paving job is a good thing, but work recently done at commuter train stations on the Deux-Montagnes Exo line is sparking outrage.

On a recent walk by the Deux-Montagnes train station, long-time commuter- train user Bruno Leroux noticed it had a fresh new look.

“I saw that they put new pavement on the platform,” he told Global News.

The platforms had been resurfaced with a sleek new layer of asphalt. Immediately, Leroux was puzzled and upset, because work to completely redo the station as part of the massive REM light rail project is set to begin in mid 2021.

“As we know, everything here will be destroyed for REM construction next summer,” he said.

He took his anger to the popular Mouvement/Rally Train Deux-Montagnes group where train users congregate, and posted a few pictures of the paving job. Dozens of people shared in his outrage. Users of the old commuter train system have been repeatedly frustrated as work on the new system has made their journeys to work far longer.

“We’ve been asking for months for them to put some more buses to go downtown, not to redo the pavement of the platform,” Leroux explained.

He pointed out the new paving work even totally hides a yellow line showing people where to safely stand clear of the coming train. Train users reported the same paving work had been carried out at other stations between Deux-Montagnes and Bois-Franc, which will all be redone during REM work.

“It’s a waste of money for sure,” said Leroux.

Although the fresh paving job has drawn a lot of criticism from train users, authorities say there’s a very good reason for it.

“In order to eliminate all risk for clients in case of a fault in the electrical network, it was necessary to pave the cement platforms,” explained Exo spokesperson Gina Guillemette.

She said Exo had paved five stations that are still in use on the Deux-Montagnes line, because the new asphalt acts as an insulator and eliminates conductivity.

Leroux said he doesn’t buy it.

“The train has been an electric train for the past 25 years. Why do they suddenly need to change the pavement on the platform? It was already an electric train,” he said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7300191/deux-montagnes-train-station-repaving/

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Toutes les photos proviennent de la page FB de Mouvement/Rally Train Deux-Montagnes, dont je ne suis pas un membre (en passant):

[felixinx]

Le 2020-08-27 à 11:22, Chuck-A a dit :

Franchement ?    Pourquoi avoir fait ce beau pavage, qui ne durera qu'un an et pour si peu d'usager (présentement).  Incroyable "exo"rbitant ! 

Commuter train stations recently re-paved on Deux-Montagnes line to be demolished next summer
By Dan Spector, Global News  |  Posted August 26, 2020 6:47 pm  |   Updated August 26, 2020 7:53 pm

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/0b5272be-e7e8-11ea-9768-0242ac110002/?jwsource=cl
WATCH: Usually a freshly completed paving job is a good thing, but as Global’s Dan Spector explains, work recently completed at commuter train stations on the Deux-Montagnes exo line is drawing criticism from commuters.

Usually a freshly completed paving job is a good thing, but work recently done at commuter train stations on the Deux-Montagnes Exo line is sparking outrage.

On a recent walk by the Deux-Montagnes train station, long-time commuter- train user Bruno Leroux noticed it had a fresh new look.

“I saw that they put new pavement on the platform,” he told Global News.

The platforms had been resurfaced with a sleek new layer of asphalt. Immediately, Leroux was puzzled and upset, because work to completely redo the station as part of the massive REM light rail project is set to begin in mid 2021.

“As we know, everything here will be destroyed for REM construction next summer,” he said.

He took his anger to the popular Mouvement/Rally Train Deux-Montagnes group where train users congregate, and posted a few pictures of the paving job. Dozens of people shared in his outrage. Users of the old commuter train system have been repeatedly frustrated as work on the new system has made their journeys to work far longer.

“We’ve been asking for months for them to put some more buses to go downtown, not to redo the pavement of the platform,” Leroux explained.

He pointed out the new paving work even totally hides a yellow line showing people where to safely stand clear of the coming train. Train users reported the same paving work had been carried out at other stations between Deux-Montagnes and Bois-Franc, which will all be redone during REM work.

“It’s a waste of money for sure,” said Leroux.

Although the fresh paving job has drawn a lot of criticism from train users, authorities say there’s a very good reason for it.

“In order to eliminate all risk for clients in case of a fault in the electrical network, it was necessary to pave the cement platforms,” explained Exo spokesperson Gina Guillemette.

She said Exo had paved five stations that are still in use on the Deux-Montagnes line, because the new asphalt acts as an insulator and eliminates conductivity.

Leroux said he doesn’t buy it.

“The train has been an electric train for the past 25 years. Why do they suddenly need to change the pavement on the platform? It was already an electric train,” he said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7300191/deux-montagnes-train-station-repaving/

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Toutes les photos proviennent de la page FB de Mouvement/Rally Train Deux-Montagnes, dont je ne suis pas un membre (en passant):

Moi aussi j'avais remarqué ce nouveau pavage à Roxboro-Pierrefonds, Sunnybrooke et Bois-Franc. Ça fait un peu dur qu'il n'y ait pas encore de ligne jaune par contre.

L'explication d'exo semble un peu bizarre, mais ils ont fermé la station Bois-Franc d'urgence en avril ou mai. Peut-être qu'il y a eu un accident relié au système électrique et ils se sont fait tapé sur les doigts à cause du béton conducteur? Mais quand même spécial de le faire 1 an avant la fermeture, mais 102 ans après l'ouverture.

Et le capotage de tout le monde en 2019 pour la fermeture est finalement un peu exagéré. Mon temps de transport passe de 1h05 à 1h15-20. Pas si pire comme augmentation.

[felixinx]

exo construira un nouvel édicule à la gare Montréal-Ouest pour connecter le nouveau quai nord et le tunnel piétionnier. Le projet permettra d'améliorer la sécurité des citoyens. Voici quelques images tirés du Facebook Live.

[mk.ndrsn]

il y a 41 minutes, felixinx a dit :

exo construira un nouvel édicule à la gare Montréal-Ouest pour connecter le nouveau quai nord et le tunnel piétionnier. Le projet permettra d'améliorer la sécurité des citoyens. Voici quelques images tirés du Facebook Live.

Est-ce qu'ils ont dit ce que va devenir le terminus d'autobus entre les 2 immeubles en arrière? La fermeture de l’accès à la gare par l’avenue Westminster, c'est une fermeture de l'avenue même ou juste l'accès à la gare?

[SameGuy]

How much would covered platforms cost?

Honestly, though... No freights use the Westmount subdivision; that whole 5 km should be electrified and upgraded to resemble a modern suburban/regional train, and the ALP-45DPs should be properly used again.

[felixinx]

Il y a 8 heures, mk.ndrsn a dit :

Est-ce qu'ils ont dit ce que va devenir le terminus d'autobus entre les 2 immeubles en arrière? La fermeture de l’accès à la gare par l’avenue Westminster, c'est une fermeture de l'avenue même ou juste l'accès à la gare?

L'édicule sera sur le premier terrain vide à l'ouest, alors j'imagine que la boucle ne sera pas touchée.

Concernant la fermeture, je pense que c'est seulement l'accès 

Il y a 6 heures, SameGuy a dit :

How much would covered platforms cost?

Honestly, though... No freights use the Westmount subdivision; that whole 5 km should be electrified and upgraded to resemble a modern suburban/regional train, and the ALP-45DPs should be properly used again.

An electrification project will probably come once VIA Rail HFR is in construction. If they can use Westmont Subdivision, then switch to VIA electrified corridor until M&O, it will provide an almost completely electrified line.

But until then, I don't think they'll keep their ALP-45DP.

[Gaston]

Sinon pour le trains de banlieue, si personne veut sortir le portefeuille pour mettre une caténaire (qui reste la meilleur solution), on peut faire comme les allemands, des trains a l’hydrogène!

Ils viennent justement de commencer a construire une nouvelle stations pour leurs trains:

https://actutrain.com/allemagne/debut-de-la-construction-de-la-station-hydrogene-pour-les-trains-alstom-dans-le-land-de-hesse/

Modifié 27 octobre 2020 par Gaston

[SameGuy]

On 2020-10-23 at 7:24 AM, felixinx said:

An electrification project will probably come once VIA Rail HFR is in construction. If they can use Westmont Subdivision, then switch to VIA electrified corridor until M&O, it will provide an almost completely electrified line.

VIA isn’t electrifying anytime soon. The Chargers are diesel-only and I don’t expect another fleet renewal anytime in the near- to mid-term. But daydreaming is fun. 🙂

[Gaston]

La SNCF va tester des trains a batteries, c'est peut être une solution auquel l'ARTM devrait peut être y réfléchir pour le future des lignes diesel!

https://actutrain.com/france/bombardier-et-la-sncf-vont-developper-des-ter-a-batteries-pour-remplacer-les-ter-bimodes/

 

[SameGuy]

Même si le concept s'avère efficace, le coût de remplacement de l'ensemble de la flotte par ce qui sera essentiellement la dernière technologie sera extrêmement coûteux. Cela ne semble pas être un investissement judicieux étant donné que l’RTM ne possède pas la plupart des lignes sur lesquelles circulent ses trains, et les lignes ne sont pas très modernes elles-mêmes.

Peut-être devrions-nous tenter d'entrer dans la fin du XXe siècle avec des trains électriques modernes et des infrastructures raisonnablement bonnes avant de sauter tête baissée dans la fin du XXIe siècle (c'est à ce moment-là que la technologie des trains à batterie arrivera à maturité).