geraldshaw

Quinzcent uber deep parking will take hundreds of cars per day away from nearby ugly above ground parking lots - lower their economics and cause development -- as is happening on Mackay. The 7 or 8 lots that scar the look of the downtown are soon to be the last relics of what used to look like a bombed out German city in 1945.

HAMILTON ONTARIO'S TRAM LINE PROPOSAL WOULD WORK ON R-L / SHERBROOKE ST.

The Caisse Infra consultation report is a cruel farce. Like a doctor giving his patient all sorts of photographic reasons why he will be so much better off in the future while omitting what his double leg amputation will look like. They must think Montrealers are reckless dummies. The PR release is an insult to all who love Montreal.

Do you think?

If 6 months after the announcement of REM Est and a promotional web site with no drawings of the post REM Est R-L - if R-L drawings do not exist now, the project is a non-starter.

100% correct. And documentation to date by Caisse-Infra web site, omits totally any artist's rendition of what R-L will look like from Robert-Bourassa east for several kms. And the stations. If there is such a good project why hide the design / mock up / pictures which are worth thousands of words? Why is the Caisse-Infra being so shy? Perhaps, just perhaps the reason is that the Caisse knows, having seen the mock-ups internally, that the public outcry of mocking the Caisse for ever proposing a monstrosity is just too painful for the managers of our pension money to contemplate. The public call for resignations would be shattering to so many egos in the Caisse. And there would/will be calls for heads to roll for being so out of touch. I expect REM-Est will be cancelled well before any drawings are ever made pubic.

So the BAPE rejects building an elevated platform with noisy trains and ugly shoe box stations along R-L with a scathing report - how many politicians in the east of Montreal do you really expect to go on to fight for REM-Est?

The BAPE is an eco-zealot QUANGO - a British term - abbreviation - a QUANGO is a Quasi Autonomous Government Organization. There is no hope for REM-Est, none.

Don't tell the BAPE that. They have huge powers and the kind of multiple reasons for rejection that their REM Est report will declare will be the end of the story. And the politicians will fall all over it with fulsome praise - those in Montreal who do not, will lose their seats.

BAPE finds fatal red flags in the majority of their decisions. REM-Est is going to cause BAPE to write a damning report that has an historic number of red flags. This is obvious - one only has to look at previous BAPE rejections. REM - Est dies with BAPE.

It is ironical that my being labelled 'the sky is falling Chicken little', came after I posted a picture of the Mexico City metro's overhead line having collapsed from the sky killing 28 people, with a reaction that mocked the idea of deaths in transportation use - saying - just get used to it - that people die in transportation accidents. The municipal and provincial politicians would love to have our colleague here on video for their campaign re stopping REM Est.

Wikipedia - Chicken Little film -- Storyline: Ridiculed by the animal inhabitants of the peaceful Oakey Oaks community for his absurd notion that the sky is falling, the well-meaning young chicken, Chicken Little, promises to prove everyone wrong.

That's precisely the problem -- Toronto decided not to bury the Gardiner via a turn out to under the harbour. The developers went to town as they should, with profitable development on both sides of the Gardiner, as would happen in Montreal. Surely we can agree that Toronto and its Gardner -- creates the ugliest down town business core of any city in Canada. REM-Est wants to emulate that. The vast majority of Montrealers have no interest in becoming another Toronto. Those in minority and fans of REM-est -- should it not be called le Jardineur Est de Montreal Est are not going to get their dream. Talk about trolling. Just be polite. Your credibility is lessened with name calling.

REM-Est will be a 2020s elevated train version of the Gardiner Expressway in Toronto. Cutting the downtown in two and making an ugly mess that Toronto did in the 1950's. Have we learned nothing?

Thanks. The more supporters of the REM-Est above ground R-L option use rudeness and schadenfreude - the faster they erase whatever credibility their views might bring.

Rather than being rude and emotional, surely, given that your are highly experienced in transportation knowledge -- that since the December 2020 smoke screen announcement of REM est by the Caisse Infra, you shall have figured out that REM Est - above R-L with tracks and noise and views and street commerce destroyed -- was a non starter from the very beginning. I am puzzled why you are such a cheerleader? Please tell us why.

28 dead in a metro overpass and crash "won't have any effect"? Ask the Caisse-Infra and the Minister of Transport, the Mayor of Montreal if they care less, regarding this transportation tragedy. I think they care more and greatly so, not less.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Whether it is 28 killed in the capital city of Mexico's metro or 24 kids being shot and killed in a public school in Connecticut - the Mexico City tragedy is broadcast around the world and causes opinions to change. The pollsters will be onto the topic of an elevated REM on R-L and Sherbrooke Street East during the 2 upcoming elections. The accident in Mexico will be portrayed as dangerous and uber ugly and noisy by the environmental zealots pounding day after day on social media with pictures of the Mexico City collapse. crash down to the street level. It is so obvious that REM est will be blocked by public resistance and as voters speak, It is a no brainer - I cannot understand why so many here love the REM-Est and have not folded their tents on this very bad project.

This Mexico City picture of a crash says it all - on a straight line not a curved one - should end all talk of an above ground line on R-L. The eco-zealots will now unite to try to stop the project before the 2021 municipal elections and certainly try a coup de grace well before the 2022 provincial elections.

I hear you. The public does not know that Mexico City was built on a swamp while Montreal was built on hard rock shale. Accidents with many dead create public bias -if and when REM est presents a model to scale if its project, the reaction to the above ground derailment will be fierce. I can see protests. Note often forgotten Montreal is in an earthquake zone and has been part of rules in the building code since the early 60s.

https://news.yahoo.com/subway-train-derails-mexico-city-052949620.html Mexican subway with open air sections crashes due to the collapse of an overpass. Say what you want about Mexico, but here in Quebec we have had a fair share in the world of unsafe overpass bridges. REM-est's model will never happen.

The fact is that REM-Est is becoming a distraction and discussions about it are a farce. The REM-Est "plan" was released in December 2020 in order to distract attention from huge REM-1 cost overruns and the shake up at the Caisse-Infra and to put pressure on a deal for the airport. For the Caisse - Mission Accomplished. REM-Est was always a smoke screen and never a real project and it still is not.

PVM was Montreal's "signature" skyscraper for decades. I have always wondered why its steel girder frame could not have 20 or so storeys added, like the Sun Life building was made taller in three top up stages. The result would be awesome.

Surely it is preferable from an aesthetic point of view to get the 6 or 7 uber ugly parking lots in the downtown core developed with nicely designed medium sized buildings. The worst example of an ugly parking lot being Guy south of Sherbrooke. That lot has been there since the 1950's -- every development plan that is announced never gets built.