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42 minutes ago, Né entre les rapides said:

This is (in part) an investment by the collective of the Cree Nation of Quebec, a wise diversification of their (investment) portofolio.  They could have gone (and can still go) anywhere else, e.g. Toronto, New York City and London, etc.  So welcome it for what it is.  

Regarding your point about "...stepping back up to the lands that were snatched from them", I must note (and I am certain) that the Crees of Quebec do not in any way claim that Montreal, and the whole of southern Quebec for that matter, was part of their traditional territory--  Eeyou Istchee.  They invest in Montreal because they believe it is a good place to invest.  The fact that Montreal is located in the Province of Quebec, with which they concluded a landmark agreement, contributes to the deliberately symbolic value of their involvement. 

And let me add a final comment which has a broader application (not specific to the Odea project and the Crees): I personnaly reject the inclusion of  Aboriginal people into the grab bag of "minorities", as if they were just one of many sharing the same issues.  And I maintain a firm distinction between First Nations, Métis and Inuit: they have distinct histories, and face distinct challenges, including but not limited to the defense of their rights.  

Sure. 

Whatever works for you. 

1 hour ago, acpnc said:

Tu peux ne pas être sensible aux références culturelles des bâtisseurs, les Cris du Québec, mais ça c'est ton problème. Personnellement je suis fier de cet investissement et de cette architecture originale qui laissera sa marque au centre-ville. En même temps cette communauté montre qu'elle sait bien gérer ses placements issus des ententes signées entre le Québec, Hydro-Q et les autochtones du nord de la province, dont on tire aujourd'hui une bonne partie de notre énergie hydroélectrique. Toutes ces nations sont par ailleurs un plus pour ce pays et contribuent à nous enrichir culturellement. Ils sont donc bienvenus dans la métropole où je souhaite que leur présence se démarque davantage par d'autres immeubles distinctifs, afin de contribuer à rehausser la qualité architecturale générale de la ville.

On the contrary I love the betterment of minority rights in this province. The silver lining of this project is the Cree participation. I love that they are stepping back up to the lands that were snatched from them. What I am criticizing is the poor architecture. The end. 

2 hours ago, Rocco said:

Sad this isnt built in da Griff, right?

It's in the equally fugly cité multimédia. Tragic but it fits right in with its surroundings. Next. 🙄

My god we could take a portion of the building and draw a T-Rex over it and still sell it to the susceptible masses 🙄 

9 minutes ago, FrancSoisD said:

The initial version of the 900 featured an alignment of ventilation grilles more than 40 stories high ... facing boul. RB, one of the 2 most prestigious arteries of the CV!🙈

Except that to understand , they will have finally spent around 22 bn $ (US, obviously) by 2038, when all the loans will finally be repaid! (Phew.)

Treat your ulcers by taking walks around 800 and 700 StAnt, 1250, L'Avenue, ONF, and we have several other majestic and elegant buildings! 😉

You know, Toronto is also that : lots of big, wide concrete and / or brick towers often bland, and this, in dozens of TODs of various sizes and even 10 km + from the CV ...

#commieBlocks #Jamestown

Oh please, we have ugly crap like this all over montreal too. Even Christmas in Montreal is a pathetic affair. 

Unless you have a leg span of 20m, I'm sure you can avoid stumbling into it. Plus most people wanna cross that bridge to connect to the pathway on the opposite side of the canal. My god we find every little thing to complain about 🙄 

This building will have one of the best views in town. Sunset over the city and Mont Royal on one side with excellent views of the fireworks and the old port on the other side. Plus easy access to the highway and REM. And the best part about living in it is not having to look at this ugly thing. Time to bring out the check book.. 

7 hours ago, Rocco said:

Decent lot? Squeezed on all sides. No view at all on the north (CCE), on the south (Solstice) and soon on the west (Pinte de lait project). What did u expect? Marina Bay Sands? Puh-leeze.

Yes. We were all holding our breaths, clutching a picture of the sands around a fire and singing kumbaya. I'm devastated that it didn't work 🙄 

Yet another hideous prefab project on a decent lot. #mtlmoments 

What are we expecting? Some elvish gate with sparkly blue fleur-de-lis adorning it? 🙄 Many elevated rail structures don't even have railings.

5 hours ago, Rocco said:

Nouvelle sous-station électrique près du Bassin Peel. Espérons qu'ils plantent des buissons. Pas gracieux cette grosse rampe d'accès permanente entourée de clôture Frost noire.

That ramp is supposed to be temporary. 

On 15/11/2021 at 08:53, averhaegen said:

La PB est vraiment rendue un eyesore à ce point ci. Trop massive et dérangeante et tellement désolante pour un endroit aussi clé en ville. 

Let's just be thankful they weren't inspired by highway 20 during their renovations and decide to paint the ugly girl blue. 

Too bad about the lack of public parking to cater to the new crossroads of furniture and home stores... Actually forget public parking, even loading bays would be nice. 

Can't believe the city doesn't have proper by-laws for things like loading bays, guest parking where commercial exists or alleyways for trash collection.. 

"But the REM is coming.. in 2024“

“But there's the bus.. On a détour and subject to ever-changing road closures" 

"But there's the REV.. guess you could put a mug in your basket" 

"But there's Uber.. Oh yeah, can't haul a small dining set in that." 

Nevermimd, I'll just go to dix30 or st léonard with à uhaul instead. The end. 

4 hours ago, acpnc said:

Merci, voilà le monstre hideux dont je parle et qui est assis sur un lot au grand potentiel. Même si l'édifice doit faire ses frais et probablement un certain profit, le marché par une rareté qui va croissante au c-v, aura sûrement raison de cet immeuble sans envergure, qui n'a plus sa place dans un centre-ville du 21è siècle.

What is in that monstrosity amyway. It let's out loud and extended turbine like sounds at random times of the day. You can hear it from blocks away. Almost sounds like Optimus prime being tortured. 

The third rail is a viable option for the REM east which won't be connected to the current REM. So yes, it is worth mentioning. On that vein, catenaries have already been built so unless you want them painted like candy canes for Christmas, it's just as empty a discussion. And unless we are all going to sit down together and pen a beautiful letter to developers and stakeholders with our beautiful sketches and idealistic ideas then yes, all we are doing here on every forum is debating, complaining and complimenting stuff. Some people complain a festival ground is too empty when not in use, some complain a building is too fat, the skyline is not tall enough, they didn't get enough gravy on their poutine, whatever - it's a forum. Geez. 

2 hours ago, Rocco said:

On chiale quand on a pas de transport en commun, pis on chiale quand on nous en construit un car il est pas assez esthétique. J'imagine qu'avec un 3e rail, vous auriez chialé que le train est en retard dû aux problèmes de glace ou de neige sur le rail. Branchez-vous sacr*ment.

Remember when you were so upset the aerial structure behind Costco was ruining the aesthetic? Yeah, me too 🙄

The answer is a third rail. Catenaries are ugly af. In fact alot of European cities themselves are disfigured by them. Even overhead tram cables. Basically, it's difficult to make hanging cables look nice. North America generally has function placed over form. 

Yeah. It's gonna look awful too. But not rusty at least. Wish they just used a damned third rail for this project.. 

I thoroughly hated those rusty old structures and to them I say - bye Felicia 

53 minutes ago, SameGuy said:

These will likely be removed soon, just a matter of which crews have access to each sector and when. NouvLR crews are still finishing up the new embankment along Smith and the widening of the de la Commune overpass; the CN (or authorized 3rd-party) crews will remove the old porticos when they have clear access.

I was hoping they would but they attached a shiny new structure onto it. Seems over the top as a mitagation measure. Though I've seen them do some pretty questionable things in this city.. 

57 minutes ago, Pylône said:

Sait-on si de nouveaux portiques permettant d'électrifier toutes les voies (comme avant) seront installés sur le bâtiment-pont ou si ce seront des caténaires seulement pour le REM qui seront posés ?

Les trains amtrak et VIA Rail utilisent tous deux du diesel. Même pour les nouveaux trains. Donc peu probable je pense.

Seems like the old rusty catenary structures on the viaduct south of wellington will stay and be retrofitted to carry the REM wires. They seem to have added new elements to them instead of removing them like the ones north of wellington.. 

23 minutes ago, Rocco said:

I wrote this just for you to pop-up like the Bonhomme 7 heures. It worked 😂

It's my bat signal. 

A.k.a. Griffintown est. Next.