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    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    5 minutes ago, muskmelon said:

    Selon le répertoire historique des toponymes montréalais, sur le site de la Ville:

    «Le nom de la rue William honorait le troisième fils de George III, devenu par la suite le roi William IV. »

    It seems as though it disagrees with the Commission de toponymie du Québec. But either way, put it to a vote of people in the area if they want to change it.

    Origine et signification
    En 1817, un corps de douze jurés approuvèrent l'ouverture de la rue William sur le fief Nazareth, du chemin des Sœurs-Grises au district des campagnes. Thomas McCord (1724-1824), propriétaire du terrain, nomma lui-même cette rue du prénom d'un de ses fils, William King (1803-1858). En 1856, la rue fut prolongée vers l'ouest jusqu'à la rue des Seigneurs, à la suite d'une requête de citoyens et de la cession d'une partie des terrains de la ferme Saint-Gabriel par les messieurs de Saint-Sulpice. Le 22 avril 1869, on inclut dans cette dénomination la rue des Enfants-Trouvés : la rue William va alors officiellement jusqu'à la place Royale. Pourtant, au moment de la dénomination de la place D'Youville en 1901, il semble que l'on utilisa encore le nom d'Enfants-Trouvés pour le côté sud du marché Sainte-Anne. Le changement n'a donc pas été concrétisé et la rue William ne s'étend toujours que de la rue McGill à la rue Canning. Date de désignation : 1817.


    Source :
    Les rues de Montréal : répertoire historique, 1995.

    http://www.toponymie.gouv.qc.ca/ct/ToposWeb/Fiche.aspx?no_seq=215203

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    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    6 minutes ago, mk.ndrsn said:

    That name choice was as an act of nepotism, not a name chosen posthumously by the community.

    Sure, but it didn't rename anything at the time as far as I'm aware. 

    Put a renaming to a vote or don't do it. If the current residents of the area vote for the name of a street to be changed to Bernard Landry, so be it. But don't impose it on them.

    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    5 minutes ago, danny12345 said:

    I do not believe Landry is unanimously viewed negatively.  I am confident (but don't have poll numbers) that the general population also has a positive opinion of him.  The political and economic elites of Quebec views the man very favorably.

    Who would vote for the name?  Resident within 500 meters?  1000 meters?  Most of them are newcomers our purchased Griffintown condos, they would pick the name?  Users of the REM?  All Montrealers?  Everyone in Quebec as the provincial pays the lion share of the REM (thru direct subsidy, CDPQ, hydro..). All Canadians as the Fed are paying a share of the REM?  It might sound faid, but in practice it could end up even more divisive.

    You must have mentioned William street changing name hypothetical, as it is not being changed.

    By unanimously negatively, I am referring more to someone who almost everyone can agree was a bad person.

    Premier Landry is not viewed unanimously negatively. He is controversial, but almost every historic or political figure is. I have no problem with naming something after him, as I said. But it is better to name something new (like they are doing with the station) and maybe with a park on Robert Bourassa. 

    If they want to rename something, they should at least put it to a vote. I would suggest either everyone on the street in question, or maybe residents of the borough? But if it's done democratically, nobody can complain of the result.

    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    2 minutes ago, chl94 said:

    Et la rue Ottawa, son nom est important? Le nom de la capitale, tellement original. En plus elle aboutit en plein coeur de la cité multimédia, ça pourrait être une option.

    It is a replacing a historic street name in the neighbourhood, and a name that is significant in Canada, so it's controversial, yes. It is not tied to the area specifically, but I still feel it would be better to put it to a vote.

    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    1 hour ago, mk.ndrsn said:

    Is that so? Places routinely change name officially and unofficially to be more of significance to the people that occupy those spaces. It’s not a sacrilegious act to change the name of things. However, toponomy and geography matters when naming transit stations. Being coherent matters when developing a city. If naming the station Bernard Landry is particularly important, than we should co-brand la cite du multimedia as something like “District Landry”, “Bourg-Landry”, or rename a street or other landmark around the station. Some names were chosen because as a young nation we were eager to give some individuality to our spaces, but ultimately those names shouldn’t matter for the sole reason of being historic. I don’t mind keeping those names, but no, changing them is not a bad thing at all.

    Changing names happens all the time, yes, but that does not mean it is always a good thing or even that most people agree with it. Unless the name is extremely generic, or the figure is unanimously viewed negatively, it should be avoided. They should put controversial name changes to a vote. Just like statue removal should be voted on. It's the only fair way of deciding that lets everyone feel they were consulted.

    But renaming something else in this area after Bernard Landry without a vote on the matter would be even more controversial.

    Especially erasing the name of an Irish person (like William McCord, the namesake of William Street).

    Something new, no problem. Name the park and the station after him. That is a good compromise.

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    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    1 minute ago, Decel said:

    How do you create something new where everything already exists?

    Une alternative serait de nommer la structure même du bâtiment ferroviaire en son nom.

    I like Rocco's suggestion. Name the park for him on Robert Bourassa. Or create a new park in the Cité Multimédia and name it after him.

    Or there is the Silo no 5 area. It will have a road as well, presumably which could have his name.

    He deserves to be commemorated. If I were the Irish leaders, I would pick my battles. They should focus on defending what's already there. But they have to be pragmatic and not throw a fit for something new that is not being renamed.

    Station Griffintown – Bernard-Landry - Discussion

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    6 minutes ago, Chris1989 said:

    Great news about the station, but very disappointed about the name. After months of Plante hammering Landry as the name, she changed her tune in January 2020:

    https://www.iheartradio.ca/cjad/news/1.10484380

    I hope there's some serious backlash and the name is dropped. You wanna honour Landry? Rename a street after him in the Cite Multimedia and be done with it.

    No, I hate renaming existing things. It's better to name something new. Naming something new after him is better than erasing something existing. 

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