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en cherchant divers articles sur internet a propos du match de hockey d'hier soir, je suis tombe sur le site du chicago tribute.

 

puis, banalement inseree entre deux nouvelles, j'ai trouve cet article:

 

 

At least 22 shot in separate shootings, 1 dead

 

May 30, 2010 2:09 PM

 

 

At least 22 people were wounded in separate shootings around the city roughly between noon Saturday and noon Sunday, including a man who died this morning after he was shot in the head, Chicago police said.

 

At a news conference this morning, Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis said that nearly half of the shootings appear to be gang-related, including the fatal incident. Weis added that at least two of the other victims have refused to cooperate with police, "which makes the job of our detectives ... far more difficult."

 

One of the shootings was particularly disturbing because one of the female victims was eight months pregnant, the superintendent said. No one in custody for any of the incidents.

 

The most recent incident happened in the 8000 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue just after noon today, Chicago Police Officer Laura Kubiak said. A man at the location was shot in the hand.

 

Four people were shot about 3:15 a.m. today in the 9100 block of South Marshfield Avenue, police said. The victims -- two women, ages 32 and 30, and two men, ages 40 and 41 -- were sitting in a vehicle when a dark four-door sedan approached, a man got out and opened fire. The older woman and the younger man were taken to local hospitals in serious conditions, police said. The other victims suffered only minor injuries.

 

About 2 a.m. in the 10800 block of South Racine Avenue, two people were shot while they sat in a parked vehicle, police said. One victim, a 43-year-old man, was shot in the chest and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center where he was listed in critical condition. The other victim, 22, was shot in the shoulder and was listed in "stable" condition at Roseland Community Hospital. Police said the 22-year-old is gang-affiliated. The men were shot by a passenger of a gold four-door car, police said.

 

About 12:45 a.m., a 16-year-old boy was shot in the 1500 block of East 67th Street. He was taken in critical condition to Northwestern Memorial Hospital with a gunshot wound to his arm.

 

About 12:30 a.m., a 28-year-old man was shot in the Roseland neighborhood in the 10500 block of South Corliss Avenue, police said. He was taken to Roseland Community Hospital with a gunshot wound to his right calf and was described as in "stable" condition.

 

At the same time on the Southeast Side, three more people were shot as they sat on a porch in the 9200 block of South Blackstone Avenue, Kubiak said. One victim, a 25-year-old man, was taken in critical condition to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn. An 18-year-old man was taken in "stable" condition to Advocate Trinity Hospital. Another victim, 27, was treated and released from Trinity with a graze wound to his arm, police said. The 18-year-old and 27-year-old have gang affiliations, Kubiak said.

 

About 12:28 a.m., a 19-year-old man was shot in the head in the 5100 block of South Laflin Street, police said. A spokesman for the Cook County medical examiner's office identifed the man as Darius Murphy of the 5300 block of South Bishop Street.

 

On the West Side about 12:15 a.m., two people were shot in the 3900 block of West Gladys Avenue, police said. A 24-year-old man was taken to Mt. Sinai Hospital in "stable" condition with a graze wound to his head. A 19-year-old woman also was taken to the same hospital. She was listed in "stable" condition with a gunshot wound to her neck.

 

About 8:10 p.m. Saturday in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue in the Logan Square neighborhood, a 47-year-old man was shot in one arm in what police believe was a drive-by shooting. The victim was taken to Norwegian-American Hospital and was listed in good condition.

 

Roughly 20 minutes earlier in the Ashburn neighborhood, a man, 19, was wounded in the leg in the 3900 block of West 79th Street outside Bogan Computer Technical High School. He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn and was listed in critical condition. The victim has gang affiliations and was not being cooperative in the police investigation, Kubiak said.

 

About 7:30 p.m., a 17-year-old boy was standing on the sidewalk on the 7400 block of South Evans Avenue when he heard shots and felt pain. He was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the upper right side.

 

Two people were shot about 6:45 p.m. in the 8400 block of South Muskegon Avenue but both told conflicting stories, said Kubiak.

 

An 18-year-old gang-affiliated man suffered a graze wound but refused treatment. He said he was walking in the 8400 block of South Escanaba Avenue when a suspect walked up and shot him, police said. The other victim, 19, told a different story. He said he was driving when someone pulled up and began shouting gang slogans and shot into his car, police said. He drove himself to Advocate Trinity Hospital where he was treated and released.

 

Police could not locate either victims for interviews after the shootings, Kubiak said.

 

One of the shootings happened about 3 p.m. in the 6200 block of South Cottage Grove Avenue in the Woodlawn neighborhood. A 56-year-old man was standing on the corner when a passing car fired in his direction, police said. He fell to the ground in pain and discovered he was shot in his calf. He was taken to an area hospital and listed in good condition.

 

Earlier Saturday about 11 a.m., a 25-year-old man was shot on the 5300 block of South Laflin Street. He was wounded in the arm and hospitalized. Police said the Laflin shooting appeared to be gang-related, but witnesses were giving conflicting accounts of the event.

 

No one is in custody for any of the shootings. Calumet Area, Harrison Area and Wentworth Area detectives are investigating.

 

-- Deanese Williams-Harris

 

 

 

c'est surtout le ton de l'article qui me laisse bouche-bee ... meme si chicago est une plus grande ville que montreal, si l'on ramenais l'evenement a nos proportions on parlerais quand meme d'un bon douze a quinze victimes par arme a feu - en 24 heures.

 

ca va toujours me surprendre le niveau de criminalite a certain endroits aux etat-unis ... c'est vraiment a se demander ce qu'ils mangent avec leurs cereales, le matin. puis il y a d'enormes villes comme new york ou la criminalite est si reduite qu'on s'y sent maintenant aussi en securite dans le metro a 4h du matin que sur la rue principale a repentigny un dimanche apres midi ... c'est vraiment un phenomene etrange, pour moi .....

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en cherchant divers articles sur internet a propos du match de hockey d'hier soir, je suis tombe sur le site du chicago tribute.

 

puis, banalement inseree entre deux nouvelles, j'ai trouve cet article:

 

 

At least 22 shot in separate shootings, 1 dead

 

May 30, 2010 2:09 PM

 

 

At least 22 people were wounded in separate shootings around the city roughly between noon Saturday and noon Sunday, including a man who died this morning after he was shot in the head, Chicago police said.

 

At a news conference this morning, Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis said that nearly half of the shootings appear to be gang-related, including the fatal incident. Weis added that at least two of the other victims have refused to cooperate with police, "which makes the job of our detectives ... far more difficult."

 

One of the shootings was particularly disturbing because one of the female victims was eight months pregnant, the superintendent said. No one in custody for any of the incidents.

 

The most recent incident happened in the 8000 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue just after noon today, Chicago Police Officer Laura Kubiak said. A man at the location was shot in the hand.

 

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About 2 a.m. in the 10800 block of South Racine Avenue, two people were shot while they sat in a parked vehicle, police said. One victim, a 43-year-old man, was shot in the chest and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center where he was listed in critical condition. The other victim, 22, was shot in the shoulder and was listed in "stable" condition at Roseland Community Hospital. Police said the 22-year-old is gang-affiliated. The men were shot by a passenger of a gold four-door car, police said.

 

About 12:45 a.m., a 16-year-old boy was shot in the 1500 block of East 67th Street. He was taken in critical condition to Northwestern Memorial Hospital with a gunshot wound to his arm.

 

About 12:30 a.m., a 28-year-old man was shot in the Roseland neighborhood in the 10500 block of South Corliss Avenue, police said. He was taken to Roseland Community Hospital with a gunshot wound to his right calf and was described as in "stable" condition.

 

At the same time on the Southeast Side, three more people were shot as they sat on a porch in the 9200 block of South Blackstone Avenue, Kubiak said. One victim, a 25-year-old man, was taken in critical condition to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn. An 18-year-old man was taken in "stable" condition to Advocate Trinity Hospital. Another victim, 27, was treated and released from Trinity with a graze wound to his arm, police said. The 18-year-old and 27-year-old have gang affiliations, Kubiak said.

 

About 12:28 a.m., a 19-year-old man was shot in the head in the 5100 block of South Laflin Street, police said. A spokesman for the Cook County medical examiner's office identifed the man as Darius Murphy of the 5300 block of South Bishop Street.

 

On the West Side about 12:15 a.m., two people were shot in the 3900 block of West Gladys Avenue, police said. A 24-year-old man was taken to Mt. Sinai Hospital in "stable" condition with a graze wound to his head. A 19-year-old woman also was taken to the same hospital. She was listed in "stable" condition with a gunshot wound to her neck.

 

About 8:10 p.m. Saturday in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue in the Logan Square neighborhood, a 47-year-old man was shot in one arm in what police believe was a drive-by shooting. The victim was taken to Norwegian-American Hospital and was listed in good condition.

 

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One of the shootings happened about 3 p.m. in the 6200 block of South Cottage Grove Avenue in the Woodlawn neighborhood. A 56-year-old man was standing on the corner when a passing car fired in his direction, police said. He fell to the ground in pain and discovered he was shot in his calf. He was taken to an area hospital and listed in good condition.

 

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No one is in custody for any of the shootings. Calumet Area, Harrison Area and Wentworth Area detectives are investigating.

 

-- Deanese Williams-Harris

 

 

 

c'est surtout le ton de l'article qui me laisse bouche-bee ... meme si chicago est une plus grande ville que montreal, si l'on ramenais l'evenement a nos proportions on parlerais quand meme d'un bon douze a quinze victimes par arme a feu - en 24 heures.

 

ca va toujours me surprendre le niveau de criminalite a certain endroits aux etat-unis ... c'est vraiment a se demander ce qu'ils mangent avec leurs cereales, le matin. puis il y a d'enormes villes comme new york ou la criminalite est si reduite qu'on s'y sent maintenant aussi en securite dans le metro a 4h du matin que sur la rue principale a repentigny un dimanche apres midi ... c'est vraiment un phenomene etrange, pour moi .....

 

Et tout ça dans une ville où il est illégal d'avoir des armes à feu.

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The seeds of this type of violence have already been sown in Montreal. Canada's stricter gun laws may lessen the number of victims though. When I lived in Montreal in the 70's, no one would have imagined that today there would be street gangs in the city and race riots.

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The seeds of this type of violence have already been sown in Montreal. Canada's stricter gun laws may lessen the number of victims though. When I lived in Montreal in the 70's, no one would have imagined that today there would be street gangs in the city and race riots.

 

There were mafiosos, biker wars and much, much more crime back then.

 

Big deal.

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Je trouve ça dommage pour Chicago. J'ai eu la chance d'aller à Chicago à l'été de 2003. J'ai passé 3-4 jours là et j'ai trouvé la ville fantastique. Comme NYC, mais un peu moins vite!

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:eek: Cette violence est symptomatique d'une société qui a perdu la majeure partie de ses valeurs humaines et où l'individualisme et le rêve américain est poussé à son extrême. On retrouve d'ailleurs cette violence un peu partout dans les grandes villes du monde mais heureusement à une échelle plus réduite selon les pays.

 

Les inéquités sociales sont un terreau fertile pour le crime et semblent suivre parallèlement le taux de criminalité d'un lieu donné. Ajouter à tout cela une violence banalisée dans le cinéma grand public et la télévision et vous aurez des générations exposées au phénomène par une sorte d'influence insidieuse dans le règlement des conflits personnels.

 

Et cette violence larvée se retrouve même au niveau des garderies aujourd'hui, où dernièrement ont faisait un bilan de cas de plus en plus nombreux dans ce milieu qui pourtant déterminera le comportement des jeunes pour les années à venir.

 

Malheureusement le problème n'est pas simple, il a plusieurs racines et relève davantage de la conscience individuelle vis à vis du perçu collectif. Ici en Amérique on revendique nos droits haut et fort mais on oublie simultanément nos devoirs, d'où une discipline totalement relâchée et un manque de confiance en l'autorité. Le "Me myself and I" à son meilleur.

 

Dans les sociétés plus traditionnelles, comme le Japon, notamment à l'autre extrême, la criminalité est très limitée et les actes antisociaux sanctionnés ouvertement dans le but d'humilier et d'éviter ainsi la récidive. D'ailleurs j'ai été extrêmement étonné de voir, à Osaka notamment, des milliers de bicyclettes de tous genres sans cadenas, stationnées sur la voie publique et attendant toute la journée leur propriétaire à la sortie du travail.

 

Même dans l'avion, les japonais exprime cette discipline en récoltant tout leurs déchets proprement en laissant l'avion, plein à capacité, dans un état impeccable. Regardez les vols nord-américains ou transatlantiques, ceux que je travaille le plus souvent, et vous verrez un dépotoir qui donne l'impression qu'une bataille générale à eu lieu quelque part avant l'atterissage.

 

Ces deux images même si elles n'expliquent pas tout, démontrent que la conscience sociale est directement proportionnelle à la paix sociale et la qualité de l'environnement sous tous ses aspects. Un esprit collectif développé incitera un individu à contribuer au bien-être collectif en sachant que son bien-être individuel en dépend en partie.

 

Tout est une question de conscience et d'équilibre entre le personnel et le groupe. Il n'y a pas de société parfaite mais on peut tenter d'approcher un certain idéal et ce n'est de toute évidence pas le rêve américain.

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:eek: Ajouter à tout cela une violence banalisée dans le cinéma grand public et la télévision et vous aurez des générations exposées au phénomène par une sorte d'influence insidieuse dans le règlement des conflits personnels. .

 

Je suis assez d'accord avec ce qui est écrit sauf avec cette partie. Je n'ai jamais compris cet argument et je n'ai jamais rien lu de concluant à cet effet.

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On retrouve d'ailleurs cette violence un peu partout dans les grandes villes du monde mais heureusement à une échelle plus réduite selon les pays.

 

bien que la criminalite et la violence en generale sera toujours un peu plus forte en milieu densement peuple - si pour aucune autre raison qu'elle engendre davatage de frictions entre individus - je ne sais pas si j'aime cette generalisation envers les 'grandes villes'.

 

dans mon post original je le souligne d'ailleurs: new york est l'une des plus grandes villes du monde et jouit en general d'une criminalite exceptionnellement faible. aussi, philadelphie et toronto pourraient etre consideres comme etants completement opposes a ce qui attrait a la violence meme si elle sont deux villes de tailles semblables.

 

en plus, il existe des villes relativement petites dans certaines regions americaines ou existe un taux de criminalite qui pourrait toujours en 2010 rivalise avec ce qui existait a new york dans les annees 70.

 

alors, pour moi, 'grande ville' n'a jamais rhyme avec criminalite ....

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