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Air Canada est beaucoup plus puissant que Porter sur le plan politique. La preuve c'est que Porter n'a jamais pu obtenir l'autorisation de faire atterrir le CSeries (A220) à Billy Bishop. Donc à mon avis les possibilités demeurent restreintes pour Porter à St-Hubert car Air Canada fera tout en son pouvoir pour limiter ses ambitions.

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il y a 11 minutes, Normand Hamel a dit :

Air Canada est beaucoup plus puissant que Porter sur le plan politique. La preuve c'est que Porter n'a jamais pu obtenir l'autorisation de faire atterrir le CSeries (A220) à Billy Bishop. Donc à mon avis les possibilités demeurent restreintes pour Porter à St-Hubert car Air Canada fera tout en son pouvoir pour limiter ses ambitions.

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C’est dans leur adn. 

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Expansion de l’aéroport de Saint-Hubert | Un terminal pour accueillir quatre millions de passagers

Julien Arsenault La Presse

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Le terminal envisagé par Porter Airlines devrait être inauguré vers la fin de 2024.

Porter Airlines et l’aéroport de Saint-Hubert espèrent que le terminal qui sera construit par la compagnie aérienne permettra éventuellement d’accueillir plus de 4 millions de passagers. L’aérogare qui doit être inaugurée vers la fin de 2024 pourrait bien accueillir d’autres compagnies aériennes.

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« Il y a des discussions et on espère de faire des annonces au cours des prochains mois », a expliqué le directeur général de l’aéroport de Saint-Hubert, Yanic Roy, lundi, en conférence de presse.

Les détails révélés par La Presse vendredi dernier ont été confirmés dans le cadre de l’évènement qui réunissait également notamment le président et chef de la direction de Porter, Michael Deluce, la ministre des Transports Geneviève Guilbault ainsi que la mairesse de Longueuil Catherine Fournier.

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Le directeur général de l’aéroport de Saint-Hubert, Yanic Roy.

Ainsi, un hôtel de 130 chambres de la chaîne Holiday Inn sera également aménagé à un jet de pierre du terminal. Dans son ensemble, le projet, qui tient compte des améliorations qui devront être apportées aux infrastructures aéroportuaires, est estimé à 200 millions. Il s’agit d’un investissement privé qui ne bénéficie d’aucune contribution des différents ordres de gouvernement.

Pour l’aéroport de Saint-Hubert, l’engagement de Porter constitue la première étape visant à créer un « pôle aérospatial » capable de desservir des voyageurs et dans lequel on retrouvera des entreprises, écoles de pilotages ainsi que des centres de formation et de recherche.

Le terminal pourra accueillir les Embraer E195-E2 de Porter. Cet avion, l’un des plus silencieux sur le marché, est au cœur de la stratégie d’expansion de Porter. Connue pour ses avions à hélices qui se posent à l’aéroport Billy-Bishop, au centre-ville de Toronto, l’entreprise ontarienne estime que son projet peut s’avérer viable en raison de sa proximité géographique avec la métropole.

« Généralement, les aéroports secondaires sont situés beaucoup plus loin, a affirmé M. Deluce, au cours d’une séance de breffage technique. Les voyageurs vont pouvoir sauver du temps sans devoir trop s’éloigner pour prendre un vol. »

Alliance locale

Porter a profité de l’annonce pour annoncer un partenariat avec Pascan Aviation. Les deux entreprises mettront leurs réseaux respectifs en complémentarité dans le cadre d’un partage de codes. Par exemple, Porter pourrait transporter des voyageurs de l’Ouest canadien vers Saint-Hubert, où ils monteraient à bord d’un avion de Pascan pour se rendre dans une région comme les Îles-de-la-Madeleine. Le voyageur n’aurait qu’un seul billet et ses bagages seraient enregistrés jusqu’à l’arrivée.

« C’est une étape significative pour Pascan, a lancé son copropriétaire Yani Gagnon. Nous voulons développer de nouvelles destinations pour améliorer le service régional. »

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Yani Gagnon, copropriétaire de Pascan Aviation

Il y aura également des contraintes pour la compagnie aérienne sur la Rive-Sud. La compagnie aérienne devra se contenter, du moins pour l’instant, d’offrir des vols intérieurs. En vertu de son bail avec Transports Canada, Aéroports de Montréal (ADM) – l’exploitant de Montréal-Trudeau et de Mirabel – bénéficie toujours d’une clause d’exclusivité pour les vols internationaux.

Par exemple, un avion qui décolle de Saint-Hubert ne peut donc pas transporter des passagers vers les États-Unis ou les destinations soleil. De plus, Porter devra respecter l’interdiction d’effectuer des vols entre 23 heures et 6 heures du matin. Cette mesure doit entrer en vigueur en avril 2024.

Contre l’expansion

L’expansion annoncée de l’aéroport de Saint-Hubert ne fait pas que des heureux. Pancartes à la main, une dizaine de manifestants se sont rassemblés devant l’endroit où se tenait l’évènement. Ils estiment que l’arrivée de Porter viendra accroître le trafic aérien.

« Nous demandons un moratoire afin de pouvoir évaluer tout projet qui puisse se développer afin de voir ses impacts sonores, sanitaires et climatiques », affirme Jacques Benoît, de l’organisme Urgence climatique Montérégie, qui fait partie de la Coalition Halte-Air Saint-Hubert.

Les manifestants estiment que des avions moins bruyants et polluants ne sont pas une solution aux enjeux climatiques actuels.

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On their website Porter talks about creating 500 permanent jobs ( no schedule given at this point)

Very interestingly, they will have pilot and crew base here One can only presume that this base will service their flights out of YUL as well. This bodes well for a long term commitment, as does the amount of private money that is being invested.

The Porter alliance with Pascan is also encouraging...especially for the regional communities.

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il y a 4 minutes, mont royal a dit :

On their website Porter talks about creating 500 permanent jobs ( no schedule given at this point)

Very interestingly, they will have pilot and crew base here One can only presume that this base will service their flights out of YUL as well. This bodes well for a long term commitment, as does the amount of private money that is being invested.

The Porter alliance with Pascan is also encouraging...especially for the regional communities.

Wow, that sounds big. It looks like they want to take their revenge for Billy Bishop and despite what I said previously they might succeed this time, especially if they team up with Pascan or others.

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On 2/27/2023 at 7:02 PM, YUL said:

Ideally, it should be coordinated with ADM so we cannibalize less and complement more with YUL.

Like shifting LCCs and some charters (A321 and smaller?) to YHU.

But we got to ensure that YUL maintains a sufficient "hub" critical mass. (Air Canada has done a great job in the last 10 years)

Autrement, tout pourrait s'écrouler comme ça s'est déjà produit en séparant les vols domestique + transfrontaliers à Dorval et les internationaux à Mirabel.

 

 

Let's calm down and be realistic here. Nothing is going to collapse at YUL. We are talking about domestic flights here. They are insignificant in terms of overall numbers at YUL.

YHU will get a small terminal (approx. the same size as YTZ) with 9 gates. 

This will by no means be enough to steal critical mass away from YUL. AC, Transat or Air Inuit will not start any flights from YHU. Their operating base is in YUL. They each have invested millions in YUL (maintenance base, hangars, etc), and will not split operations or even worse, abandon that for YHU. It's not going to happen. Even Porter has said they will not abandon YUL. That is saying something, because having a split operation increases costs significantly. And yet, that's their plan.

YUL will most likely lose Flair (assuming they're still around by the time the terminal is built). That's about it. Pascan is already ending scheduled flights from YUL. It didn't last long, and is proof that split operations are hard to make work.

If anything, this is good news for YUL, as it enables AC to grow even more. AC will take the gates vacated by Porter/Flair, say thank you, and expand operations. 

You will not see passenger numbers go down at all. That I can promise you.

On 2/27/2023 at 6:31 PM, caribb said:

In the terminal rendering I posted you can see multiple Flair 737s and for some weird reason a Westjet 737 at the gates so this implies they hope to attract those LCC and ULCC airlines which means Flair, Canada Jetlines, Swoop, Lynx and perhaps Rouge’s domestic flights could end up there.  I’d say Air Transat too but without the international connectivity I highly doubt it. It might also work for Air Inuit too..  so depending on if it all takes off it has potential to draw in a good handful of airlines which will drive up YHU’s numbers and coincidentally free up gates at YUL for more international flights.  
 

They’re also hinting they want to fly internationally which would if granted (and that’s a huge if)   Would make it a good hassle free connecting airport to the south for all their incoming domestic flights. 
 

a lot has to fall in place and work though.. I wish them success. 

 

Like I said, TS and Air Inuit aren't going anywhere.

And who's hinting at international from YHU? The press prelease only mentioned domestic destinations, and there is a reason for that. ADM has exclusivity on international flights, and that isn't changing until 2072.

First and foremost, let's even see if this terminal building will get built. PD's costs have sky rocketed ever since they got the E195s and expanded out west. Now they want to build a terminal. Even more costs. They haven't made money in 15 years flying a single aircraft type (Q400) from a single and higher yielding airport (YTZ). Now we are supposed to believe they will start making money with the inefficient E195-E2s (which no other North America airline has acquired btw) flying to sun destinations and to the west coast. Yeah right. It's not going to happen.

So all this being said, I still have my doubts that this will come to fruition, and even if it does, it won't be by the end of 2024. This is Quebec after all. It's going to be 2025, or even 2026 until this terminal is built and operational, at best. At worst, it's not happening and PD is going bankrupt or bought out by a competitor, which will quickly cancel the YHU project.

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On 2/27/2023 at 3:51 PM, mont royal said:

From a consumer perspective, this will give those living south of the island a very viable alternative for domestic or trans-border travel. Likewise for those arriving here for business or pleasure activities in the same area. For those living in l'Estrie for example, a St Hubert departure will be much less of a headache than trying to gauge at what time of day you want to fight the bridge traffic. 

Since YHU won't be allowed to have US flights, I fail to see how a person living on the south shore and wanting to go to the US will benefit from this. 

Flying YHU-YYZ/YTZ-US is more of a hassle than crossing over to YUL and flying direct. 

Like I said, this will have minimal impact on YUL. If anything AC has a huge grin on their face right about now. Their competition is leaving or reducing flights from the only "on island" airport in Montreal, leaving them more gates and more room to expand. This is a win-win, both for YUL, and YHU, if the terminal gets built that is.

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23 hours ago, thenoflyzone said:

 

Let's calm down and be realistic here. Nothing is going to collapse at YUL. We are talking about domestic flights here. They are insignificant in terms of overall numbers at YUL.

YHU will get a small terminal (approx. the same size as YTZ) with 9 gates. 

This will by no means be enough to steal critical mass away from YUL. AC, Transat or Air Inuit will not start any flights from YHU. Their operating base is in YUL. They each have invested millions in YUL (maintenance base, hangars, etc), and will not split operations or even worse, abandon that for YHU. It's not going to happen. Even Porter has said they will not abandon YUL. That is saying something, because having a split operation increases costs significantly. And yet, that's their plan.

YUL will most likely lose Flair (assuming they're still around by the time the terminal is built). That's about it. Pascan is already ending scheduled flights from YUL. It didn't last long, and is proof that split operations are hard to make work.

If anything, this is good news for YUL, as it enables AC to grow even more. AC will take the gates vacated by Porter/Flair, say thank you, and expand operations. 

You will not see passenger numbers go down at all. That I can promise you.

 

Like I said, TS and Air Inuit aren't going anywhere.

And who's hinting at international from YHU? The press prelease only mentioned domestic destinations, and there is a reason for that. ADM has exclusivity on international flights, and that isn't changing until 2072.

First and foremost, let's even see if this terminal building will get built. PD's costs have sky rocketed ever since they got the E195s and expanded out west. Now they want to build a terminal. Even more costs. They haven't made money in 15 years flying a single aircraft type (Q400) from a single and higher yielding airport (YTZ). Now we are supposed to believe they will start making money with the inefficient E195-E2s (which no other North America airline has acquired btw) flying to sun destinations and to the west coast. Yeah right. It's not going to happen.

So all this being said, I still have my doubts that this will come to fruition, and even if it does, it won't be by the end of 2024. This is Quebec after all. It's going to be 2025, or even 2026 until this terminal is built and operational, at best. At worst, it's not happening and PD is going bankrupt or bought out by a competitor, which will quickly cancel the YHU project.

During the press conference one spokesman (I forget who) did mention on TV they wanted to eventually fly internationally (to the US and Caribbean). It’s probably a fruitless wish but it was mentioned. 

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