MTLskyline Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Economics for lefties Co-ops sound great if you hate big corporations. Not so great if you care about how they work in real life By Joseph Heath, Citizen Special May 27, 2009 As the worst recession in 60 years grinds on, Naomi Klein and Avi Lewis are starting to get excited. From "bossnappings" in France to factory occupations in Canada and Britain, workers are starting to flex their muscles. The time may have come, they say, to fire the boss and seize control of the means of production. "Co-ops are once again emerging as a practical alternative to more lay-offs," they write. Klein and Lewis, I must admit, make me a bit crazy. Not for the usual reasons, though. Unlike their right-wing critics, I don't disagree with the basic complaints they have about the capitalist system. I think they identify real problems. But they proceed to blame these problems on totally fictitious causes, then recommend solutions that are guaranteed not to work. Like co-ops. Why do they do this? Because they don't understand basic economics. In this respect, they're in good company. Most of the left-wing establishment in this country doesn't understand economics. I barely do. But at least I'm trying. Consider co-ops. There is in fact a large literature on the subject, much of it written by economists, none of it particularly optimistic about their potential. Why? Because they don't work very well. If they did, there would be more of them. Furthermore, they have the potential to muck up the entire economy (more on that later). Here's a question. If workers are so great at running companies, why do they have to wait until their employer is going bankrupt before taking over the firm? Renters have been banding together for decades to "fire the landlord" and form co-operatives. That's what condominiums are. Lawyers have been forming worker co-ops for decades as well (that's why law firms are run by the "partners"). Some of the largest insurance companies in the world are co-ops ("mutuals"). Furthermore, co-ops get a massive tax break from the government, primarily because the surplus revenue they distribute to their members is considered an expense and isn't taxed as profit, the way it would be in a standard business firm. So if co-ops are such a great alternative to old-fashioned profit-oriented firms, why aren't there more of them already? Why aren't capitalists willing to pay workers to take over their firms, then split the tax savings? Dairy farmers didn't have to wait for a financial crisis in order to create a number of highly successful supply co-ops. So why are there almost no worker co-ops in the manufacturing sector? The easiest way to answer this question is to look at co-ops that do succeed and consider what they have in common. In the case of worker co-ops, the answer is fairly straightforward. Worker co-ops succeed in sectors where there is a single class of workers and no expensive equipment. Travel agencies, for instance, are often worker co-ops. Once you start getting a lot of equipment or a variety of different types of workers, certain characteristic problems begin to show up. Most importantly, conflicts of interest begin to develop among the workers. Imagine having a big meeting where it's to be decided collectively how much everyone is going to earn. That decision is a whole lot easier when everyone is doing the same job. One of the reasons that standard business corporations succeed as well as they do is that they are essentially "money lenders' co-ops." Because money is an extremely homogenous input, shareholders suffer from very few internal conflicts. Thus they are able to provide fairly coherent instructions to managers. Co-ops, by contrast, often break down due to infighting. Setting aside these internal difficulties, there is a fundamental flaw with the idea of an entire economy constituted by worker co-ops. The problem is that co-ops create unemployment. Let me repeat that, just for emphasis. Co-ops are not a "cure for layoffs." They cause unemployment. Why? Because they have an incentive structure that leads them to stop hiring long before a capitalist firm would. Even if the potential increase in revenue from a new employee would be more than enough to cover that person's salary, co-ops may be tempted not to hire. That's because each new employee gets an equal share of net revenue. As the firm expands production, hiring eventually reaches a point at which it generates a decrease in wages for existing workers at the firm, even though it is still increasing net revenue. (It increases the total net, but decreases the per capita net.) Everyone knows how much workers enjoy having their wages cut. As a result, workers in a co-op typically confront an uncomfortable choice. They either leave productive capacity sitting idle, or they hire new workers and accept lower wages. Typically, they choose to do neither. Instead, they bring in new workers, not as full members, but as good old-fashioned wage-slaves (such as the "associates" in a law firm). As a result, worker co-ops have a tendency, over time, to convert into something that very much resembles capitalist firms, with the founding members as the owners and everyone else working on salary. This is why 19th-century socialists like Beatrice Webb were so strongly opposed to the co-operative movement. Of course, in the 19th century there was a sophisticated debate among socialists about this very subject, among activists who took economics seriously as a discipline. The same cannot be said today. This is unfortunate. There are, in my experience, quite a few people with a lot of big opinions about capitalism. There are, unfortunately, far fewer who actually understand how capitalism works. So perhaps one can see why, when I see Klein and Lewis presenting worker co-ops as a "cure for layoffs," it drives me a bit crazy. My first reaction is to ask, "How do they intend to solve the perverse supply response problem?" But then, of course, I realize the answer. They don't intend to solve the perverse supply response problem, because they don't know there is one. There you have the problem of economic illiteracy on the left, in a nutshell. How can you purport to fix a problem, when you haven't even taken the time to understand the solution you're proposing? Joseph Heath teaches in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Toronto, and is the author, most recently, of Filthy Lucre: Economics for People Who Hate Capitalism. © Copyright © The Ottawa Citizen http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/op-ed/Economics+lefties/1633305/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFrosty Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Un peu plus pis je croyais qu'on avait une discussion politique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTLskyline Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 Si c'est un discussion politique, quelqu'un peu le mettre dans le forum approprié. Mais le thread sur les Elections Municipales, Louise Harel et la Loi 101 sont plus "politique" que ce thread ici. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helios_the_powerful Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 J'ai un peu de trouble avec son raisonnement. Il y a des choses qu'il dit qui ne sont pas exactes et font en sorte que le tout ne se tient pas beaucoup! "Here's a question. If workers are so great at running companies, why do they have to wait until their employer is going bankrupt before taking over the firm? Renters have been banding together for decades to "fire the landlord" and form co-operatives. That's what condominiums are. Lawyers have been forming worker co-ops for decades as well (that's why law firms are run by the "partners"). Some of the largest insurance companies in the world are co-ops ("mutuals")." Premièrement, ce n'est pas parce que ça fonctionne pas que les coop ne fleurissent pas, c'est pour plusieurs raisons. Premièrement parce que c'est difficile d'obtenir un prêt pour une entreprise qui n'a pas de but de profit (excédent/ristourne). Aussi, c'est un régime qui ne permet pas le financement par l'émission d'action, donc un obstacle de plus. Toutefois, la reprise d'un actif par une coop est plus intéressant que de tout bâtir à zéro, tout comme partir une compagnie de train pour tuer Bombardier serait plutôt futile. Par ailleurs, la mutualité dans une compagnie d'assurance, c'est un concept beaucoup plus pointu que le concept de coop. Les bureaux d'avocats ne sont pas non plus des coop, il sont des sociétés de personnes dans laquelle chaque individu possède sa propre "compagnie" mais qui fait affaire en alliance avec d'autres "compagnies individuelles". "Once you start getting a lot of equipment or a variety of different types of workers, certain characteristic problems begin to show up. Most importantly, conflicts of interest begin to develop among the workers. Imagine having a big meeting where it's to be decided collectively how much everyone is going to earn. That decision is a whole lot easier when everyone is doing the same job." Le principe d'une coop, c'est de rémunérer les gens également en fonction du travail qu'ils effectuent et, en ce sens, la détermination des salaires n'est pas nécessairement une affaire compliquée. La difficulté de détermination des salaires devient difficile si, comme dans une compagnie, on tente de donner à un administrateur un salaire 100 fois plus élevé qu'à l'opérateur. C'est contre le principe de coop. À travail égal, salaire égal; pas à statut social égal, salaire égal! C'est bien communiste comme idée vous direz, mais c'est ça une coop, donc ça peut pas se gérer comme une compagnie. Et certaines personnes vivent bien avec ça! "Setting aside these internal difficulties, there is a fundamental flaw with the idea of an entire economy constituted by worker co-ops. The problem is that co-ops create unemployment. Let me repeat that, just for emphasis. Co-ops are not a "cure for layoffs." They cause unemployment." Bon, son raisonnement, il tient pas. Les coop causent pas des mise-à-pied. Ce serait aussi vrai que de dire que la simplicité volontaire cause la faillite des grandes marques de vêtements. C'est un facteur, mais pas la cause. Ils engagent moins facilement, on peut pas le nier, mais comme il l'explique dans son raisonnement, les coop renvoient aussi difficilement (cela étant plutôt impossible), le principe étant qu'avec moins de revenus les membres recoivent moins de paie. Si ils sont insatisfait, ils peuvent quitter la coop et aller ailleurs et donc, les salaires globaux remonteront. Qui devrait-on blâmer pour les renvois, celui qui engage selon ses besoins et donc engagent moins ou celui qui engage trop et se met dans une situation dans laquelle il doit renvoyer des gens. La réponse est simple il me semble. Dans une économie ou tous sont des membres de coopératives (comme on l'avance ici), le non-emploi n'existe pas. Tous travaillent à leur propre entreprise. Avec la législation appropriée, il est possible d'établir un système obligeant à engager à un certain point et permettant de jeter qqn dehors à un certain point. Les gens qui seront dehors et ne peuvent entrer dans aucune coop, c'est qu'il n'y a tout simplement pas assez de ressource pour les faire vivre! Il est illogique de forcer tout le monde à crever de faim pour faire survivre une personne de trop qui, de toute façon, mourrera. C'est ça l'économie basé sur la coop en entier. "So perhaps one can see why, when I see Klein and Lewis presenting worker co-ops as a "cure for layoffs," it drives me a bit crazy. My first reaction is to ask, "How do they intend to solve the perverse supply response problem?" But then, of course, I realize the answer. They don't intend to solve the perverse supply response problem, because they don't know there is one. There you have the problem of economic illiteracy on the left, in a nutshell. How can you purport to fix a problem, when you haven't even taken the time to understand the solution you're proposing?" Je crois que monsieur ne comprend pas le point de Klein et Lewis. Ces derniers ne prennent pas les coop comme une mesure simple à appliquer pour tout sauver. Ils l'insèrent dans une vision plus large qui implique une réforme du système économique pour en faire un système basé sur les besoins et non sur la création de besoin. Cela s'insère aussi dans une vision démocratique. La vraie démocratie, on tend à le croire, ne peut pas s'appliquer lorsqu'il existe des sans-emploi et des extrêmes entre pauvres et riches. Le concept de coop tend à vouloir ramener tout le monde sur un pied d'égalité et favoriser la démocratie. Ce professeur est trop simple. Son message du genre est teinté et il omet de nuancer. Pas fort pour quelqu'un qui enseigne la philosophie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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