griffintown 1810, rue des Bassins (Terrain des écuries Lucky Luc)

[chaughten]

Le 2020-11-29 à 19:41, GIGI a dit :

Je ne sais pas ce qui pourrait être construis la-dessus,mais le terrain de par sa forme triangulaire, donnera beaucoup de défis aux architectes qui devront composer avec.

Je ne m'attends pas un projet intéressant d'un point de vue esthétiquement parlant.

triangle? 

https://goo.gl/maps/5KHmEEc6L2i8jjV77

 

[GIGI]

On 2020-12-01 at 8:35 PM, chaughten said:

triangle? 

https://goo.gl/maps/5KHmEEc6L2i8jjV77

ce que tu montres, c'est le beaumont a NDG.

[chaughten]

from tonight's public consultation. thoughts?

[lebanonsaid]

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/sud-ouest-borough-weighs-zoning-exemption-for-20-storey-condo-tower-on-lachine-canal

 

Montreal’s Sud-Ouest borough is preparing to grant a zoning exemption to a developer to build a 20-storey condo tower next to Lachine Canal in Griffintown in a consultation process that even Heritage Montreal says it didn’t know was underway.

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The project’s builder is Omnia Technologies Inc., which said it has financial backing from Claridge IC, a partnership of Stephen Bronfman’s Claridge Investment and Ivanhoé Cambridge, a real estate subsidiary of the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec.

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“The best way to preserve it is not to block it,” Bumbaru said of the view of Mount Royal. The views of the mountain that are enhanced in a number of condo projects are only available to those who buy expensive units on upper floors, while “blocking it for everyone else.”

“They turn the view on the mountain into cash,” Bumbaru said of the city. The project should have been subject to a citywide process and not just a borough council’s approval, he added.

 

[swansongtoo]

Any view towards the mountain will be blocked by downtown high-rises ... you can forget about pristine mountain views. 

Typical knee jerk reaction. 

[swansongtoo]

Cranky citizens.     

 

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/borough-allows-fish-to-vote-on-condo-project-but-not-residents-across-lachine-canal

 

Borough allows fish to vote on condo project, but not residents across Lachine Canal

"We're happy they're letting the ducks vote," one resident said of the borough's idiosyncratic zoning. "But they've excluded (the) buildings which will be the most impacted by the project."

Author of the article:

Linda Gyulai  •  Montreal Gazette

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Mar 31, 2022  •  8 hours ago  •  5 minute read  •   Join the conversation

“The city excluded us for absolutely no reason from the referendum zone,” said Sylvain Letellier, far left, with other residents opposed to a proposed condo tower next to the Lachine Canal. PHOTO BY PIERRE OBENDRAUF /Montreal Gazette

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Montreal’s Sud-Ouest borough will permit anyone who might live in the waters of the Lachine Canal to vote in a referendum on a proposed 20-storey condo tower next to the canal, but not the residents who live across from the project on the other side of the canal.

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Several residents said this week they’re angry about being deprived of the right to participate in an eventual referendum on the 295-unit condo proposal for the site of the former Lucky Luc horse stables on des Bassins St., between des Seigneurs St. and Richmond Ave. They accused the borough of gerrymandering with the boundaries of the zones.

“The city excluded us for absolutely no reason from the referendum zone,” said Sylvain Letellier, who lives in the low-rise Lofts Corticelli, on the south side of the canal, 140 metres across from the project, which is on the north side.

As the Montreal Gazette reported this week, the borough is considering granting a zoning exemption to a developer who is proposing a tower of staggered heights up to 20 storeys, or 60 metres, on the site next to the Lachine Canal. The ground floor of the building, which would rise above St. Gabriel Lock and the Pointe-des-Seigneurs archeological park, would provide commercial space. The developer has offered to build a public park and a passageway on his 1.2-acre site, and to construct a building with about 50 units of social housing on William St.

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Thursday was the deadline for public comments in a “written public consultation” on the borough’s plan to authorize spot zoning for the site and simultaneously change the urban plan of Griffintown to accommodate a 20-storey building in a sector where the limit is eight storeys.

The borough’s notice for the consultation includes a map of the contiguous zones that would be permitted to participate in a register and referendum on the project. The map shows the canal itself as a distinct zone that will be permitted to vote, along with a handful of zones on the north side of the canal. However, buildings on dry land facing the project along the south side are excluded.

“We’re very happy they’ve included the fish in the canal. We’re happy they’re letting the ducks vote,” Letellier said, laughing. “But they’ve excluded the Redpath, the Corticelli and the Nordelec buildings, which will be the most impacted by the project.”

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However, Marikym Gaudreault, a spokesperson for Mayor Valérie Plante, whose Projet Montréal party dominates the Sud-Ouest borough council, said “the identification of zones is governed by the department of municipal affairs.”

Gaudreault said the comments the borough received in the written consultation will be rendered public at a borough council meeting. The next meeting in the Sud-Ouest is scheduled for April 11, where the council is expected to vote on second reading of the project. If it passes, eligible voters in the contiguous zones will be able to petition for a register to try to force a referendum.

“On top of this public consultation provided for by law, we demanded an information meeting by the developer,” Gaudreault said.

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Letellier, a spokesperson for what he and other residents described as a growing movement against the project that involves several condo associations in western Griffintown, said the group’s first priority is to defend the industrial heritage of the canal.

“When you walk along the canal, the buildings that still dominate are the buildings from the industrial history of the canal, which give its heritage value,” he said. “The minute you authorize buildings of this height (of 20 storeys), you hide that perspective and crush the heritage buildings.”

The group is also contesting the borough’s process for approving the condo proposal, Letellier said.

“We find they’ve done everything they can to not communicate to us about the project and they left us very little time to respond,” he said.

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“The rapprochement between the city and developers to build very quickly and cut off any opportunity to oppose is what we find the most revolting. This is clearly why so many people are angry.”

Jean-François Beaulieu, the president of the condo builder, Omnia Technologies, said this week his company presented several versions of the project to the city and the 20 storeys was the city’s suggestion.

Louise Bédard, an architect who lives in the Corticelli building and has an office in the Redpath complex, said more than two dozen residents who didn’t all know each other before last week mobilized in a day to draft a submission to the borough opposing the project.

They’ve also created a website opposing the project (non-a-20-etages.com).

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“It’s not just a matter of heights,” Bédard said, “but the procedure of the city where the city has decided it no longer wants to respect its own regulations.”

Public notice was also lacking, she said. Many residents and the borough councillor said no sign was posted on the site.

“There is a very small sign on the site,” Bédard said. “But you have to search for it to find it.”

The borough’s decision to exclude residents on the south side of the canal from the register and referendum “is not democratic,” Bédard said.

Residents who don’t live next to the project but who use the canal said they also submitted objections to the borough.

“I think it’s ridiculous; it’s far too high for the area,” said Sarah El Queisi, who lives in Pointe-St-Charles near the canal.

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“The Lachine Canal park went from a park with a beautiful view over the city to basically a wall of condos. And if we build up to 60 metres, it’s going to be worse. It’s going to be a big, windy corridor instead of a park.”

Alec Doazan, who lives a few blocks west of the project, said he was “very surprised” to learn of the project by word of mouth. The borough’s presentation on it, he said, suggested that a project built under existing regulations, which cap height at eight storeys but allow a larger footprint, would block views more than a 20-storey but narrower building.

The borough’s presentation, Doazan said, “sells it in a way that I find a little dishonest.”

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[Rocco]

Thank god they are excluded! Rien ne pourrait avancer avec eux autres. Ils ont acheté leur condo en  1998 et voulaient garder un Canal Lachine abandonné forever pour être "à la campagne". Belle ganag de taouins. Ils méritent le 20 étages de l'autre bord, mais on sait tous qu'ils chialent car ils vont perdre leur belle vue du Centre-Ville. Encore et toujours des égoistes, du pur NIMBYisme. C'est pas avec des gens comme ça que tu façonnes un centre-ville. Ça bouge, ça se construit, en permanence. Si tu es pas d'accord avec ça, tu déménages à Ste-Madeleine!

[mikeymousegod]

Le 2022-04-01 à 08:09, Rocco a dit :

Thank god they are excluded! Rien ne pourrait avancer avec eux autres. Ils ont acheté leur condo en  1998 et voulaient garder un Canal Lachine abandonné forever pour être "à la campagne". Belle ganag de taouins. Ils méritent le 20 étages de l'autre bord, mais on sait tous qu'ils chialent car ils vont perdre leur belle vue du Centre-Ville. Encore et toujours des égoistes, du pur NIMBYisme. C'est pas avec des gens comme ça que tu façonnes un centre-ville. Ça bouge, ça se construit, en permanence. Si tu es pas d'accord avec ça, tu déménages à Ste-Madeleine!

Je suis TOTALEMENT d'accord avec toi. Je vis à Saint-Henri et, il y a 1 heure, j'ai vu une publication sur la page "Quartiers" Facebook pour appeler des gens du quartier à manifester contre le projet. Je suis heureux de voir que la publication a fait seulement 1 like. 

Je ne vis pas directement sur le Canal mais à genre 10 minutes à pied et je vais y courir très souvent. Je trouve que les développements le long du Canal sont plutôt bien dans l'ensemble (par exemple, je trouve le Galdin plutôt réussi). Je suis heureux de voir que le quartier continue de se développer et que de nouvelles habitations vont arriver et apporter de nouveaux commerces. 

Modifié 5 avril 2022 par mikeymousegod

[acpnc]

Nous vivons dans une société où l'individualisme est fortement valorisé, pourquoi alors s'étonner de la réaction négative des gens qui considèrent à tort qu'après l'achat ou la location de leur unité, être devenus légalement propriétaires des vues dégagées à partir de leurs fenêtres ou balcons. Vivre en ville et davantage dans un quartier en plein redéveloppement, suppose que le paysage urbain sera éventuellement transformé par l'apparition de nouveaux immeubles, qui ne seront pas plus transparents que leur propre édifice. C'est alors à chacun de s'informer sur les détails du PPU de son secteur et en comprendre les conditions et les possibilités d'obstacles visuels, que le plan d'urbanisme permet et même encourage par une plus grande densité afin de contrer l'étalement urbain.

Il faudra alors, face à ces contestations de plus en plus nombreuses et purement égocentristes, resserrer les règles afin de mettre plus de discipline dans le processus de consultation et permettre plus flexibilité dans l'aménagement urbain. Comprenons qu'être démocrate c'est d'abord favoriser un sain équilibre entre les droits individuels et collectifs. Ensuite mettre les choses en perspective pour justement éviter la main-mise d'une minorité sur les droit de la majorité et vice-versa.

Donc s'il n'y a pas de préjudice avéré et que le PPU est respecté (ou modifié de bonne foi avec compensation), je ne vois pas en quoi on devrait tenir compte des objections des petits groupes qui se jugent lésés pour de simples considérations personnelles. Impossible de plaire à tout le monde. Aussi vivre en ville c'est accepter les avantages et les inconvénients inévitables qui accompagnent ce choix, que ça nous plaise ou pas, car il est illusoire de croire au développement sur mesure pour chacun.

 

[Rocco]

À l'heure des Facebook, Instagram et autres, il est devenu facile de s'organiser en groupe avec ses voisins pour demander un référendum. C'était beaucoup plus difficile avant. Maintenant on rallie tout le monde à sa cause dans le temps de le dire et on s'auto convainc que notre logique est bonne et bam, la ville ou le promoteur doit reculer. Cette façon de faire de permettre au citoyen de s'opposer par référendum n'a plus sa place, et à l'avenir va mettre énormément de bâtons dans les roues du développement de la ville. Il est temps de revoir la façon de faire, car le citoyen lambda (pour ne pas dire épais) commence à avoir trop de pouvoirs.