montréal REM de l'Est

[FrodoMTL]

48 minutes ago, SameGuy said:

One big change I was sorry to see was the “underwater” Bassin station. I  get  the technical and financial reasons why it had to go, but the thought of what benefits it could have brought to the area - and no monstrosity over the Canal! - make it an unfortunate victim of reality.

I'm really hoping changes for REM-B go the  othe r way, deciding to tackle the more technically difficult challenges and finding the financing to do it right.

 

In other words, let's not over-engineer parts that could be solved with simple, off the shelf solutions, while focusing on finding solutions for high priority sections (such as the downtown RL segment and key interchange stations) that ought to deserve better design, money, and attention. I think REM-A got most of this right, by focusing on key interchange stations like McGill and Édouard-Montpetit - despite their technical challenges,  these engineering feats will benefit future generations for decades to come. 

[SameGuy]

1 hour ago, p_xavier said:

 

I remember the possible-routes map, but as far as I know, all involved tunnels with no elevated segments on airport property. Even the long-discussed southern route terminating under the Marriott would’ve run at ground level for most of the Albert-de-Niverville branch, only ducking below grade near the TC building.

[p_xavier]

Il y a 2 heures, SameGuy a dit :

I remember the possible-routes map, but as far as I know, all involved tunnels with no elevated segments on airport property. Even the long-discussed southern route terminating under the Marriott would’ve run at ground level for most of the Albert-de-Niverville branch, only ducking below grade near the TC building.

The one going South was not in a tunnel.

[SameGuy]

54 minutes ago, p_xavier said:

The one going South was not in a tunnel.

When I started working there almost 20 years ago, driving down des Sources almost every day, I imagined some form of surface transit coming south alongside the boulevard and entering the airfield from the west. Before the hangars along Stuart-Graham were demolished, I envisioned this tram running along Route 800 and going under the taxiway to come up parallel to the main terminal just below ground level. Not long after, the new transborder jetty opened and work began on the new arrivals hall, transborder departures, and the Marriott above it that opened in 2009, with the new “Airport Express” station in its basement ready to exit onto Albert-de-Niverville. Again, I don’t remember the westernmost route in the map above not using a tunnel to get to the terminal; all three routes used tunnels, the broken green lines.

 

[Enalung]

The idea of an above ground route dates from before the CDPQ-I presented it's project. Back then, we knew that the gouvernement wanted a link from downtown to the airport. It was widely assumed that this link would follow the CN or CP rail alignments. I think that's where that idea comes from. You can't have a viaduct anywhere near an airport runway. It's a collision risk for airplanes. Just take a look at highway 13 and the short tunnel at the end of the runway.

[SameGuy]

4 minutes ago, Enalung said:

It was widely assumed that this link would follow the CN or CP rail alignments

Yes, that is the reason the station was built under the transborder check-in and departures hall (and Marriott), oriented to go south along Albert-de-Niverville. The check-in opened in 2009, followed soon after by the new security and US CBP Pre-clearance area, CBSA arrival hall and baggage claim, and the hotel — with the mothballed Airport Express station underneath.

[Doctor D]

On 1/23/2021 at 8:16 PM, dmg said:

The idea of a tram service in the Old Port has been studied before. It was initially part of the Côte-des-Neiges / du Parc tram network, but the studies revealed that ridership would be far too low to justify a tram. That's why that portion of the project was later abandoned in favor of lines only on René-Lévesque, Côte-des-Neiges and du Parc.

Thanks for the information! I wonder if it is the same situation given the gentrification of the area in the past decades?

[SameGuy]

54 minutes ago, Doctor D said:

Thanks for the information! I wonder if it is the same situation given the gentrification of the area in the past decades?

The Vieux-Montréal loop of the CDN-Guy tram was last discussed ten years ago. Yes, I think it’s worth another look after a decade of solid growth within Old Montreal’s immediate area and massive investments all across lower Ville-Marie and the Faubourgs. The Casino has also been renovated since 2011, and growing at least 5% per year since 2013. I’m not saying the Casino or the F1 track (or walkers and cyclists visiting Île-Nôtre-Dame) needs a tram in addition to the myriad shuttles and public transport, but wouldn’t it be cool to revive that historic line while serving the thousands of new residents of Pierre-Dupuy, Bassin, Bridge-Mill and Windmill Point before continuing through to Vieux-Montréal and Molson?

[champdemars]

Il y a 17 heures, SameGuy a dit :

I remember the possible-routes map, but as far as I know, all involved tunnels with no elevated segments on airport property. Even the long-discussed southern route terminating under the Marriott would’ve run at ground level for most of the Albert-de-Niverville branch, only ducking below grade near the TC building.

En fait j’ai cherché hier dans les communiqués, le changement a été que le tunnel est plus long que prévu pour passer sous le milieu humide, ainsi que la station Marie-Curie qui est maintenant en tunnel. Le communiqué ne parlait pas de la station Aéroport donc je présume effectivement qu’il a toujours été question qu’elle soit souterraine. Ils en parlaient pas mais je pense que c’est à ce moment que le design à voie unique dans le tunnel est apparu.

[IluvMTL]

REM - La ville demande plusieurs scénarios dont l'enfouissement. Comment se fait-il que les parties se parlent par médias interposés ?

25 JANV. 2021 À 08H57

 

https://www.985fm.ca/audio/366195/rem-la-ville-demande-plusieurs-scenarios-dont-lenfouissement-comment-se-fait-il-que-les-parties-se-parlent-par-medias-interposes?fbclid=IwAR1g3u7PLYQcK8cIYN2oGMe9_ZbmpUMxROgHY_Mrhpfze8hl3KkILQvALDc