Nomenclature, toponymie, signalétique et plan des transports collectifs

[mk.ndrsn]

il y a 57 minutes, jerry a dit :

De toute façon, c’est un comité formé par CDPQI qui va décider du nom des stations, alors la suggestion de la mairesse risque bien de ne pas être retenue. Plus de chances que le nom retenu soit Griffintown-ETS, puisque toutes les autres universités à Montréal ont leur nom dans une des stations de métro.

L’emplacement présumé est quand même un peu loin du cœur du campus, mais j’aime l’idée de renforcer l’image de Montréal comme ville universitaire. On pourrait aussi avoir Place des Arts—École NAD, Sherbrooke—ITHQ et Acadie—MIL. Et pour une hypothétique ligne rose, REM2, ou branche a15 pour le REM1; Elmhurst—Loyola et Cartier—INRS (l’actuelle station Quartier deviendrait Laurentides).

[ScarletCoral]

il y a 13 minutes, mk.ndrsn a dit :

L’emplacement présumé est quand même un peu loin du cœur du campus, mais j’aime l’idée de renforcer l’image de Montréal comme ville universitaire. On pourrait aussi avoir Place des Arts—École NAD, Sherbrooke—ITHQ et Acadie—MIL. Et pour une hypothétique ligne rose, REM2, ou branche a15 pour le REM1; Elmhurst—Loyola et Cartier—INRS (l’actuelle station Quartier deviendrait Laurentides).

Le Complexe Dow qui appartient à l'ÉTS est à moins de 200 mètres d'une éventuelle station sur le viaduc entre William et Ottawa 
C'est à peu près la même distance entre la sortie du métro Université-de-Montréal et le pavillon Roger-Gaudry de l'UdeM ... sans la côte à monter.

[Chuck-A]

2 reportages vidéos sur cette "controverse"... 

https://montreal.citynews.ca/video/2019/12/09/rem-griffintown-station-name-debate/

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‘Sadness, anger, mistrust’ surrounds Montreal’s proposal to name REM station after late premier

BY KALINA LAFRAMBOISE  |  GLOBAL NEWS  |  Posted December 9, 2019 10:38 am  |  Updated December 9, 2019 8:52 pm

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/59a0f938-1ad2-11ea-bf01-0242ac110003/?jwsource=cl
WATCH: One month after Montreal's Mayor made waves by tweeting her proposal to name the REM station in Griffintown after Bernard Landry, more voices have joined the chorus opposing the move. Yet as Global's Anne Leclair explains, despite a petition and strong opposition form the city's Irish community, Valerie Plante says she has no plans to back down.

A proposal to name a future light-rail station in Montreal’s Griffintown neighbourhood after late premier Bernard Landry continues to spark outcry in the city’s Irish community.

Donovan King, a tour guide in the city who sits on the board of directors for the Irish Monument Park Foundation, is the latest voice to speak out against the suggestion.

In an open letter to Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante, he argues that the Irish community built Griffintown and that it is offensive to its descendants if the Réseau express métropolitain (REM) station is named after Landry.

“I am advising you, as your ambassador, to withdraw the proposal out of respect for the Irish community during this period of deep mourning,” he wrote.

READ MORE: Irish eyes aren’t smiling: Proposal to name REM station for Landry sparks outcry

The proposal is creating “much sadness, anger and mistrust” within the community as remains have been dug up during REM excavation at the site, according to King.

“It really upset the Irish community,” he told Global News. “I’m talking it really upset people.”

In late November, archeologists digging at the site in Griffintown discovered bones that they believe belong to some victims of the Irish potato famine.

In 1847, more than 70,000 Irish refugees came across the ocean in hopes of creating a new life in Montreal. Of them, 6,000 died from a typhus epidemic upon disembarking on the shores of the St. Lawrence River.

Earlier in the month, Montreal’s Irish community also spoke out against the city’s plan to name the future REM station after Landry. Fergus Keyes, a director of the Montreal Irish Memorial Park Foundation, said that doing so is an insult to Irish heritage.

The Plante administration has stood by the plan, saying Landry did a lot for Montreal and Quebec. In November, her office said in a statement that naming the station after him is appropriate, given that Landry wanted to develop the Cité du Multimedia.

READ MORE: Montreal Irish famine victims’ remains found during REM excavation

Plante once again defended the proposal on Monday.

“The fact that we have the name ‘Griffintown – Bernard Landry’ creates a dialogue that we still need today,” she said. “But it doesn’t minimize the huge contribution of the Irish community to the city of Montreal.”

In his letter, King suggests instead naming an area near Duke and Brennan streets, which is currently home to a dog park, after the late premier.

“We’re simply asking for her [Plante] to withdraw the proposal and that’s it, there’s other great ways we can commemorate Bernard Landry but please not this way this is something the Irish community will never accept,” said King.

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/a1b74664-01a5-11ea-9f26-0242ac110006/?jwsource=cl
WATCH: Irish community up in arms over naming REM station after Bernard Landry

Kimberly Budd, who is visiting the city from Alberta, is of Irish descent. She believes Montreal should honour its origins.

“I think it’s important to recognize your roots — no matter whether it’s popular or not,” she said.

“Erasing the Irish part of the history would take away a lot of the character of Montreal.”

The REM has said it is open to the city’s proposal but will establish a committee to organize the naming of stations.

“The process is based on principles and guidelines, in collaboration with our partners from other Montreal’s public transit organizations, to assure the uniformity of the name and according to the location of the station,” said the REM in a statement to Global News. “Cities and institutional partners were consulted in the process.”

The Réseau express métropolitain said it’s finalizing the integration of the station into the community. An announcement with the City of Montreal will be made at a later date.

— With files from Global News’ Anne Leclair, Amanda Jelowicki and the Canadian Press

https://globalnews.ca/news/6272092/montreal-griffintown-rem-station-name/

[mk.ndrsn]

il y a 23 minutes, Chuck-A a dit :

2 reportages vidéos sur cette "controverse"... 

https://montreal.citynews.ca/video/2019/12/09/rem-griffintown-station-name-debate/

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‘Sadness, anger, mistrust’ surrounds Montreal’s proposal to name REM station after late premier

BY KALINA LAFRAMBOISE  |  GLOBAL NEWS  |  Posted December 9, 2019 10:38 am  |  Updated December 9, 2019 8:52 pm

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/59a0f938-1ad2-11ea-bf01-0242ac110003/?jwsource=cl
WATCH: One month after Montreal's Mayor made waves by tweeting her proposal to name the REM station in Griffintown after Bernard Landry, more voices have joined the chorus opposing the move. Yet as Global's Anne Leclair explains, despite a petition and strong opposition form the city's Irish community, Valerie Plante says she has no plans to back down.

A proposal to name a future light-rail station in Montreal’s Griffintown neighbourhood after late premier Bernard Landry continues to spark outcry in the city’s Irish community.

Donovan King, a tour guide in the city who sits on the board of directors for the Irish Monument Park Foundation, is the latest voice to speak out against the suggestion.

In an open letter to Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante, he argues that the Irish community built Griffintown and that it is offensive to its descendants if the Réseau express métropolitain (REM) station is named after Landry.

“I am advising you, as your ambassador, to withdraw the proposal out of respect for the Irish community during this period of deep mourning,” he wrote.

READ MORE: Irish eyes aren’t smiling: Proposal to name REM station for Landry sparks outcry

The proposal is creating “much sadness, anger and mistrust” within the community as remains have been dug up during REM excavation at the site, according to King.

“It really upset the Irish community,” he told Global News. “I’m talking it really upset people.”

In late November, archeologists digging at the site in Griffintown discovered bones that they believe belong to some victims of the Irish potato famine.

In 1847, more than 70,000 Irish refugees came across the ocean in hopes of creating a new life in Montreal. Of them, 6,000 died from a typhus epidemic upon disembarking on the shores of the St. Lawrence River.

Earlier in the month, Montreal’s Irish community also spoke out against the city’s plan to name the future REM station after Landry. Fergus Keyes, a director of the Montreal Irish Memorial Park Foundation, said that doing so is an insult to Irish heritage.

The Plante administration has stood by the plan, saying Landry did a lot for Montreal and Quebec. In November, her office said in a statement that naming the station after him is appropriate, given that Landry wanted to develop the Cité du Multimedia.

READ MORE: Montreal Irish famine victims’ remains found during REM excavation

Plante once again defended the proposal on Monday.

“The fact that we have the name ‘Griffintown – Bernard Landry’ creates a dialogue that we still need today,” she said. “But it doesn’t minimize the huge contribution of the Irish community to the city of Montreal.”

In his letter, King suggests instead naming an area near Duke and Brennan streets, which is currently home to a dog park, after the late premier.

“We’re simply asking for her [Plante] to withdraw the proposal and that’s it, there’s other great ways we can commemorate Bernard Landry but please not this way this is something the Irish community will never accept,” said King.

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/a1b74664-01a5-11ea-9f26-0242ac110006/?jwsource=cl
WATCH: Irish community up in arms over naming REM station after Bernard Landry

Kimberly Budd, who is visiting the city from Alberta, is of Irish descent. She believes Montreal should honour its origins.

“I think it’s important to recognize your roots — no matter whether it’s popular or not,” she said.

“Erasing the Irish part of the history would take away a lot of the character of Montreal.”

The REM has said it is open to the city’s proposal but will establish a committee to organize the naming of stations.

“The process is based on principles and guidelines, in collaboration with our partners from other Montreal’s public transit organizations, to assure the uniformity of the name and according to the location of the station,” said the REM in a statement to Global News. “Cities and institutional partners were consulted in the process.”

The Réseau express métropolitain said it’s finalizing the integration of the station into the community. An announcement with the City of Montreal will be made at a later date.

— With files from Global News’ Anne Leclair, Amanda Jelowicki and the Canadian Press

https://globalnews.ca/news/6272092/montreal-griffintown-rem-station-name/

 

[ScarletCoral]

K.I.S.S. : name it Griffintown plane & simple

https://cultmtl.com/2019/12/griffintown-rem-station-should-honour-montreal-irish/

Griffintown’s REM station should honour the Irish

by Toula Drimonis

The city’s proposed name for a new train station fails to recognize an important element of Montreal’s history.

 

When I found out the City of Montreal was considering naming the new REM station in Griffintown after former Quebec premier Bernard Landry — instead of the Irish community so closely associated with it — I shook my head ‘no’ so vigorously I almost gave myself a migraine.

I’m a fan of the current administration. When it comes to social housing, accessibility, public transit and public space livability, their vision aligns with mine. I believe Mayor Valérie Plante has made and continues to make important and well-thought-out decisions. I don’t think this is one of them.

A few weeks after the city’s announcement, workers excavating a hole for the REM station uncovered a burial site and found the bones of at least 15 bodies. If history was trying to tell us something, it certainly wasn’t being subtle about it.

More than 6,000 Irish immigrants who died from typhus during the Irish Famine are believed to be buried in Griffintown. Thousands of people breathed their last breath in crowded, quarantined tents and fever sheds set up in this part of town and many orphaned Irish children went on to be adopted by French Catholic families.

After the city’s intentions were made public, members of the Irish community expressed their dismay. They found the proposal ill-conceived, insulting and incredibly tone deaf. I read the articles and the letters to the editor imploring Mayor Plante to reconsider, and I saw the reactions to those reactions on social media. While some were empathetic, the majority ranged from flippant to downright unkind. Some suggested the request for an Irish name was maliciously motivated by politics and a desire not to see Landry honoured at all. Some seem to think the current Black Rock memorial on a median on Bridge Street, in the middle of an industrial area that absolutely no one walks in, and practically across from a Costco, is a perfectly fine place to memorialize the thousands of Irish who perished here. Can anyone in all sincerity defend that abysmal location?

As a long-time resident of the Sud-Ouest, I’ve always been fascinated by its history. Over a decade ago, before construction started in Griffintown and the condo towers started furiously sprouting up like mushrooms, I went on a lengthy walking tour organized by a local history association. It was late fall and the tour was — if I recall properly — almost three hours long. Halfway through the tour, I lost two of my friends to boredom and cold — they chose to go warm up at a café. I was mesmerized (and dismayed) by what I knew in my heart was about to disappear forever. I needed to see it all.

The historian showed us all the landmarks where a vibrant community of hardscrabble Irish workers once lived, toiled, worshipped and survived. He pointed to the place where St. Ann’s Church used to be before it was hastily demolished. He pointed to the crumbling and decaying old factories, textile mills and foundries. There were more than 50 factories operating in Griffintown by the late 1860s. He showed us the spots where it was rumoured new construction would soon be rising from the ashes of this forgotten ghost town.I looked at this area, once a hub of activity and life, but also of tragedy and poverty; where fires and floods had ravaged but never decimated a hard-working community that helped shape so much of what this city still is.

During Drapeau’s administration, Griffintown was rezoned for industrial use and started to fade away. Construction of the Bonaventure Expressway necessitated the demolition of remaining buildings and Goose Village (where most Irish workers who built Victoria Bridge once lived) was later also demolished to accommodate Expo 67. By the late ‘90s there were barely a couple of hundred residents in the area — if that. Most Montrealers even forgot it existed.

Until, of course, the canal was reopened to pleasure crafts in 2002 and a bike path was designed along its entire length. Suddenly, developers started realizing this area, once left to decay and disinterest, was ripe for exploitation. Old factories were quickly turned into fancy and expensive urban condos. Coveted waterfront land, minutes away from Old Montreal and downtown, suddenly skyrocketed in value.

When public consultations began in the area about future development, there were no residents left to oppose what was about to happen. With little forethought to environmental sustainability, heritage conservation, human-scale development or even infrastructure efficiency, developers’ outlandish plans for 20-storey condo projects were accepted, and construction started. And it hasn’t stopped.

I’m not particularly fond of what Griffintown has become. It was developed far too quickly and with a limited vision, and as a result lacks the character and soul of areas that come back to life organically. Looking at it today, all glitz and glamour and new money, it’s easy to forget what once stood there. But I like to believe Mary Gallagher’s ghost still wanders the streets at night, still searching for her head, utterly amused at the exorbitant prices that condos are fetching in the neighbourhood these days.

I have spent almost 20 years paddling in the Lachine Canal. Whether you’ve ever cycled, walked, picnicked or read a book by the canal’s walls, you need to recognize that they were primarily built by dirt poor immigrant Irish workers (Italians, too.) To marginalize and minimize Griffintown’s Irish connection is to willingly ignore how this city has been shaped and formed by anonymous masses of labourers, the ones who weren’t famous, didn’t go into politics, weren’t educated statesmen and who maybe no one beyond their families knew. But they mattered and they contributed, too.

I’ll be honest: I’m tired of public spaces, streets, metro stations, etc. being named after white male politicians. Can we see some women, some artists, some Montrealers of diverse origins get their dues, too?

Having said that, Bernard Landry should be honoured. He’s a big part of contemporary Quebec history and was influential in shaping the province’s economic and financial sectors. But this isn’t the way to do it. He has as much of a connection to Griffintown as I do to the town of Saint-Jacques, where he was born.

History teacher, co-owner and tour guide of Griffin Tours, Donovan King — who recently wrote an open letter published in La Presse opposed to the naming of the REM station for Landry, and was promptly called a “trou de cul” for his efforts — has proposed that the entire Multi-media City and the adjacent park be named for the former premier. I tend to agree with him.

Public historian and writer Matthew Barlow agrees, too. Barlow, who has written Griffintown: Identity and Memory in an Irish Diaspora Neighbourhood, thinks that naming the REM station after Landry is “an insult to the history and the memory of the neighbourhood,” an area that he considers to be “the birthplace of the Canadian industrial revolution.”

“Cities evolve and change, they are living organisms, but they are also a function of their histories,” he says. “Bernard Landry probably does deserve to have a station, or something named after him. But not here.”

Griffintown has become so unrecognizable in its current revitalized form, scrubbed free of the old, that it’s almost understandable that so many have forgotten that this area is steeped in Irish history. But if you listen carefully, the past still whispers and it most certainly speaks Gaelic. A train station named after Griffintown’s Irish history is the absolute least we can do to ensure that its past is commemorated and remembered in the right way. 

[Blitz]

Hey boy... comme si y'avait rien qui commémorait la présence irlandaise à Montréal. On prévoit la création d'un mémorial beaucoup plus imposante tout près du Pont Victoria de toute façon. C'est pas comme si la communauté pouvait se plaindre que rien n'est fait. Et une hypothétique station près du stade ferait plus de sens géographiquement. Ce qui m'attriste c'est ce lynchage du politicien.

[MontréalMartin]

J'étais membre d'un groupe sur facebook composé essentiellement de membres de la communauté irlandaise. Et quand l'annonce de l'utilisation du nom de monsieur Landry est arrivé pour la station de la rue Ottawa, ce fut une véritable avalanche de commentaire anti-québécois, anti-francophones, anti-péquistes et anti-séparatistes. Ils proclamaient clairement un commun ''Get out of here'', bien qu'aucun d'eux n'y habite actuellement. 

Aucun compromis n'était possible, il était hors de question pour eux que le nom de Landry soit utilisé à cet endroit, c'était salir leur territoire. 

Je ne suis plus membre de ce groupe. Et maintenant j'appuie la suggestion de nommer cette station du nom de Bernard Landry. 

[mk.ndrsn]

Station du Quartier du REM et Station Cartier de la STM... il y aura-t-il un changement de nom?

[SkahHigh]

il y a 23 minutes, mk.ndrsn a dit :

Station du Cartier du REM et Station Cartier de la STM... il y aura-t-il un changement de nom?

Ça s’écrit Du Quartier  

[mk.ndrsn]

il y a 21 minutes, SkahHigh a dit :

Ça s’écrit Du Quartier  

Quand même un problème d’homonyme