ouest-de-lîle REM - Antenne Ouest

[budgebandit]

5 hours ago, SameGuy said:

Between the pigeon-poop and slush bombs at IDS, the careless bus terminal implementations at Panama and Brossard, the arduous transfers at Central/PB, McGill, and EM, the Canora horror, the botched Bois-Franc transfer station, the Fairview entrance facing a swamp, the lack of safe local access to Kirkland, the lack of escalators at many stations... my opinion of the REM in general has plummeted from “cautiously positive” to “smfh-typical-Québec.” I’ll use it and and appreciate it when I do, all the while knowing that like so many other projects here, it could’ve easily been so much better.

The locations of the Fairview and Kirkland stations are so disappointing... there should've been a stop corner St-Jean's/40, then another stop corner St-Charles/40  and then a stop corner Anse-a-l'Orme road /chemin Ste-Marie. 

 

 

[SameGuy]

3 hours ago, budgebandit said:

The locations of the Fairview and Kirkland stations are so disappointing... there should've been a stop corner St-Jean's/40, then another stop corner St-Charles/40  and then a stop corner Anse-a-l'Orme road /chemin Ste-Marie. 

 

 

Yup. And Piazza Azzurri — where LG-Marie was parked for six months beginning last December — just east of St-Charles is basically a ghost town. Brault & Martineau moved last month. Complexe Pte-Claire (Maxi/McKibbens/Indigo) is also prime for redevelopment, just east of St-Jean. The current “Anse” site is terrible as well. The four stations on the branch should have been at the four legacy shopping centres, with good access by more people, ample parking, and lots of opportunities for redevelopment. But again, the Caisse doesn't want to build REM where people live, it wants people to live where REM is built. The very definition of sprawl.

[andre md]

15 hours ago, SameGuy said:

Yup. And Piazza Azzurri — where LG-Marie was parked for six months beginning last December — just east of St-Charles is basically a ghost town. Brault & Martineau moved last month. Complexe Pte-Claire (Maxi/McKibbens/Indigo) is also prime for redevelopment, just east of St-Jean. The current “Anse” site is terrible as well. The four stations on the branch should have been at the four legacy shopping centres, with good access by more people, ample parking, and lots of opportunities for redevelopment. But again, the Caisse doesn't want to build REM where people live, it wants people to live where REM is built. The very definition of sprawl.

Really bad location for the western branch for the rem stations. The only good location is des sources. 

[SameGuy]

@andre md I don’t even find that is a good location, essentially a desert. There are indeed multiple businesses nearby and likely more will be moving to the station's vicinity, but if that were the reason to locate it there, why didn’t they cross the 40 in Baie-d’Urfé to the existing 12,000 employee industrial park with plenty of room for more businesses? Nothing around Hymus/Sources is zoned residential and it’s unlikely all the single-storey commercial buildings suddenly give way for factories and office buildings. Now, if Amazon builds a distribution centre nearby... well that changes things!

[LexD]

1 hour ago, SameGuy said:

@andre md I don’t even find that is a good location, essentially a desert. There are indeed multiple businesses nearby and likely more will be moving to the station's vicinity, but if that were the reason to locate it there, why didn’t they cross the 40 in Baie-d’Urfé to the existing 12,000 employee industrial park with plenty of room for more businesses? Nothing around Hymus/Sources is zoned residential and it’s unlikely all the single-storey commercial buildings suddenly give way for factories and office buildings. Now, if Amazon builds a distribution centre nearby... well that changes things!

there are requests at the registre de lobbyistes  to change the zoning around Sources to high density commercial/residential.

when development around Fairview becomes saturated they will begin developing around sources , a much better location considering there are no nimby's in the area to try to block projects.

[SameGuy]

53 minutes ago, LexD said:

there are requests at the registre de lobbyistes  to change the zoning around Sources to high density commercial/residential.

when development around Fairview becomes saturated they will begin developing around sources , a much better location considering there are no nimby's in the area to try to block projects.

😂 Which makes me repeat the refrain: “The Caisse doesn’t want to build REM where people live, they want people to live where they build REM.”

[SameGuy]

Public transit is supposed to serve the needs of the existing population, not the desires of developers to build new neighbourhoods. This isn’t public transit, this is private transit and land speculation with governmental support, just like Canadian Northern at the turn of the 20th century.

[LexD]

5 minutes ago, SameGuy said:

😂 Which makes me repeat the refrain: “The Caisse doesn’t want to build REM where people live, they want people to live where they build REM.”

Indeed, its a DOT not a TOD.

But it is not urban sprawl, it counters urban sprawl. As long as all new developments are high density with minimal car space. 

Just now, SameGuy said:

Public transit is supposed to serve the needs of the existing population, not the desires of developers to build new neighbourhoods. This isn’t public transit, this is private transit and land speculation with governmental support, just like Canadian Northern at the turn of the 20th century.

It's meant to do both

[SameGuy]

I LOL, but those are also good points. Yes, Hymus/Sources isn’t outside the current metropolis so it’s not technically sprawl — if it doesn’t force companies to move further out to greenfield industrial zones. But that whole quad is mostly small buildings and warehouses and offers plenty of room for both residential building and commercial-industrial densification.

[andre md]

3 hours ago, SameGuy said:

@andre md I don’t even find that is a good location, essentially a desert. There are indeed multiple businesses nearby and likely more will be moving to the station's vicinity, but if that were the reason to locate it there, why didn’t they cross the 40 in Baie-d’Urfé to the existing 12,000 employee industrial park with plenty of room for more businesses? Nothing around Hymus/Sources is zoned residential and it’s unlikely all the single-storey commercial buildings suddenly give way for factories and office buildings. Now, if Amazon builds a distribution centre nearby... well that changes things!

It would.have been more appropriate to locate west island branch in the middle of the highway 40 like what they are doing with the rem on the southshore. The stations could have been reached on both side.of the transcanadienne with passerelle.