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Montréal vs Toronto vs Vancouver vs Calgary vs Edmonton vs Ottawa


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J'invite les membres qui connaissent bien les autres grandes villes du pays à les comparer. Qu'est-ce que les autres villes font mieux ou pire que les autres. Comparez l'urbanisme, la culture, l'architecture, la vie, tout ce qui vous vient à l'esprit.

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Lived in Montreal (12 years) , Calgary (3 1/2 years) , and Toronto (8 years) and this is all I could think of as of right now

Montreal: Pros-  affordable, good public transport, easy-going lifestyle, close to great hiking spots, economic resurgence, unique food culture, great bike infrastructure, possesses more architectural value downtown and throughout the city

                 Cons - French (pour ceux qui parlent pas), political instability (PQ and Bloc Quebecois make foreign businesses feel uneasy), infrastructure on the island is in poor state (metropolitaine / pointe claire interchange/ st-jacques interchange, aut 20 close to Dorval with its ugly blue walls), less $ pay compared to Toronto, colder weather in the winter, higher provincial taxes

Toronto: Pros - English speaking city (convenient for immigrants), lots of nice parks and greenery in the city, lots of job opportunities, great road infrastructure, fast growing city, skyscraper construction frenzy, better pay than in Montreal, less colder than Montreal & Calgary in the winter, less taxes compared to MTL

               Cons- Ridiculously unaffordable housing & rent/ utilities/ car insurance, mediocre public transport for its size and very expensive fares, everyone is in a rush to make money, crazy congestion on the 401/ DVP/ 400, horrible bike infrastructure, Yonge street isn't s great as it seems; gotta venture out west on queen/ king/ college/ bloor if you want to experience better atmosphere, no nature whatsoever (gotta venture min 2 hrs north of Ontario for good hiking/camping), no French representation

Calgary: Pros - family and immigrant friendly city, proximity to the Rockies, great public transport for its size, small taxes, 

               Cons- Economy too reliant on petrol, crazy weather during winter/summer due to Chinooks, commuter city, downtown is mostly dead after 6pm, lack of cultural value (festivals, food, art), more expensive real estate and rent than Montreal (considering its Calgary), while living in Toronto I also noticed lots of cars from Alberta meaning that Calgary/ Edmonton are mostly transition cities especially for immigrants, the majority of people are very conservative thinking

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il y a 28 minutes, FollowTheLeader a dit :

Lived in Montreal (12 years) , Calgary (3 1/2 years) , and Toronto (8 years) and this is all I could think of as of right now

Montreal: Pros-  affordable, good public transport, easy-going lifestyle, close to great hiking spots, economic resurgence, unique food culture, great bike infrastructure, possesses more architectural value downtown and throughout the city

                 Cons - French (pour ceux qui parlent pas), political instability (PQ and Bloc Quebecois make foreign businesses feel uneasy), infrastructure on the island is in poor state (metropolitaine / pointe claire interchange/ st-jacques interchange, aut 20 close to Dorval with its ugly blue walls), less $ pay compared to Toronto, colder weather in the winter, higher provincial taxes

Toronto: Pros - English speaking city (convenient for immigrants), lots of nice parks and greenery in the city, lots of job opportunities, great road infrastructure, fast growing city, skyscraper construction frenzy, better pay than in Montreal, less colder than Montreal & Calgary in the winter, less taxes compared to MTL

               Cons- Ridiculously unaffordable housing & rent/ utilities/ car insurance, mediocre public transport for its size and very expensive fares, everyone is in a rush to make money, crazy congestion on the 401/ DVP/ 400, horrible bike infrastructure, Yonge street isn't s great as it seems; gotta venture out west on queen/ king/ college/ bloor if you want to experience better atmosphere, no nature whatsoever (gotta venture min 2 hrs north of Ontario for good hiking/camping), no French representation

Calgary: Pros - family and immigrant friendly city, proximity to the Rockies, great public transport for its size, small taxes, 

               Cons- Economy too reliant on petrol, crazy weather during winter/summer due to Chinooks, commuter city, downtown is mostly dead after 6pm, lack of cultural value (festivals, food, art), more expensive real estate and rent than Montreal (considering its Calgary), while living in Toronto I also noticed lots of cars from Alberta meaning that Calgary/ Edmonton are mostly transition cities especially for immigrants, the majority of people are very conservative thinking

Mostly in agreement. Except about PQ and Bloc, at least recently : they're out, and even self disintegrating (Bloc).

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Il y a 1 heure, FollowTheLeader a dit :

Lived in Montreal (12 years) , Calgary (3 1/2 years) , and Toronto (8 years) and this is all I could think of as of right now

Montreal: Pros-  affordable, good public transport, easy-going lifestyle, close to great hiking spots, economic resurgence, unique food culture, great bike infrastructure, possesses more architectural value downtown and throughout the city

                 Cons - French (pour ceux qui parlent pas), political instability (PQ and Bloc Quebecois make foreign businesses feel uneasy), infrastructure on the island is in poor state (metropolitaine / pointe claire interchange/ st-jacques interchange, aut 20 close to Dorval with its ugly blue walls), less $ pay compared to Toronto, colder weather in the winter, higher provincial taxes

Toronto: Pros - English speaking city (convenient for immigrants), lots of nice parks and greenery in the city, lots of job opportunities, great road infrastructure, fast growing city, skyscraper construction frenzy, better pay than in Montreal, less colder than Montreal & Calgary in the winter, less taxes compared to MTL

               Cons- Ridiculously unaffordable housing & rent/ utilities/ car insurance, mediocre public transport for its size and very expensive fares, everyone is in a rush to make money, crazy congestion on the 401/ DVP/ 400, horrible bike infrastructure, Yonge street isn't s great as it seems; gotta venture out west on queen/ king/ college/ bloor if you want to experience better atmosphere, no nature whatsoever (gotta venture min 2 hrs north of Ontario for good hiking/camping), no French representation

Calgary: Pros - family and immigrant friendly city, proximity to the Rockies, great public transport for its size, small taxes, 

               Cons- Economy too reliant on petrol, crazy weather during winter/summer due to Chinooks, commuter city, downtown is mostly dead after 6pm, lack of cultural value (festivals, food, art), more expensive real estate and rent than Montreal (considering its Calgary), while living in Toronto I also noticed lots of cars from Alberta meaning that Calgary/ Edmonton are mostly transition cities especially for immigrants, the majority of people are very conservative thinking

 

Coming from a frenchy who travelled and worked in all three cities: you've hit it right on the nose. Bravo!

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Il y a 3 heures, FollowTheLeader a dit :

Lived in Montreal (12 years) , Calgary (3 1/2 years) , and Toronto (8 years) and this is all I could think of as of right now

Montreal: Pros-  affordable, good public transport, easy-going lifestyle, close to great hiking spots, economic resurgence, unique food culture, great bike infrastructure, possesses more architectural value downtown and throughout the city

                 Cons - French (pour ceux qui parlent pas), political instability (PQ and Bloc Quebecois make foreign businesses feel uneasy), infrastructure on the island is in poor state (metropolitaine / pointe claire interchange/ st-jacques interchange, aut 20 close to Dorval with its ugly blue walls), less $ pay compared to Toronto, colder weather in the winter, higher provincial taxes

Toronto: Pros - English speaking city (convenient for immigrants), lots of nice parks and greenery in the city, lots of job opportunities, great road infrastructure, fast growing city, skyscraper construction frenzy, better pay than in Montreal, less colder than Montreal & Calgary in the winter, less taxes compared to MTL

               Cons- Ridiculously unaffordable housing & rent/ utilities/ car insurance, mediocre public transport for its size and very expensive fares, everyone is in a rush to make money, crazy congestion on the 401/ DVP/ 400, horrible bike infrastructure, Yonge street isn't s great as it seems; gotta venture out west on queen/ king/ college/ bloor if you want to experience better atmosphere, no nature whatsoever (gotta venture min 2 hrs north of Ontario for good hiking/camping), no French representation

Calgary: Pros - family and immigrant friendly city, proximity to the Rockies, great public transport for its size, small taxes, 

               Cons- Economy too reliant on petrol, crazy weather during winter/summer due to Chinooks, commuter city, downtown is mostly dead after 6pm, lack of cultural value (festivals, food, art), more expensive real estate and rent than Montreal (considering its Calgary), while living in Toronto I also noticed lots of cars from Alberta meaning that Calgary/ Edmonton are mostly transition cities especially for immigrants, the majority of people are very conservative thinking

Je vois pas trop en quoi le français a Mtl est un cons. On attire des immigrants francophones et les autres l'apprennent. Comme partout ailleurs dans le monde.

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31 minutes ago, Faitlemou said:

Je vois pas trop en quoi le français a Mtl est un cons. On attire des immigrants francophones et les autres l'apprennent. Comme partout ailleurs dans le monde.

Oui bien sûr, mais il veut dire pour un immigrant adulte unilingue anglophone. Connaissant seulement l'anglais, il ne peut pas pleinement profiter de tout ce que Montréal peut lui offrir. Par exemple, mon amie de coeur est originaire de Chine et ne parle pas le français (même si elle essaie de l'apprendre tranquillement). Elle adore la ville, mais ne peut pas avoir une vraie conversation en français avec ma famille ou avec la majorité de la population, ou ne peut pas assister à un spectacle d'un comédien francophone, etc. 

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Il y a 11 heures, jerry a dit :

Oui bien sûr, mais il veut dire pour un immigrant adulte unilingue anglophone. Connaissant seulement l'anglais, il ne peut pas pleinement profiter de tout ce que Montréal peut lui offrir. Par exemple, mon amie de coeur est originaire de Chine et ne parle pas le français (même si elle essaie de l'apprendre tranquillement). Elle adore la ville, mais ne peut pas avoir une vraie conversation en français avec ma famille ou avec la majorité de la population, ou ne peut pas assister à un spectacle d'un comédien francophone, etc. 

Techniquement, c'est le même problème si qq ne parle pas anglais et arrive à Toronto. Mais comme l'anglais est une langue plus "internationale" que le français, le "rebutage" est moins fort pour l'apprendre dans l'esprit de plusieurs.....

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J'ai habité Vancouver quelques années

Pros: Proximité d'activités sportives en nature (Montagne, plage, kayak, etc. ), urbanisme intéressant et une grande densité de population (on peut marcher beaucoup pour se rendre à bien des endroits),  transports en communs efficaces, gentillesse des gens, température clémente. 

Cons: On ne peut rien y acheter en immobilier, la ville n'a pas vraiment d'âme en terme de culture et de nightlife. 

Ainsi que Toronto pour un an: 

J'ai trouvé que l'architecture à Toronto était très belle! Beaucoup de beaux projets! 

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