montréal STM: Installation d'ascenseurs dans le réseau du métro

[Monsieur_MA]

Il y a 14 heures, ScarletCoral a dit :

Un garde-corps comme à Sherbrooke c'est pas suffisant?
Les gens aiment bien, incluant moi, prendre des photos des métros qui arrivent/partent de la station de ces mezzanines. Ça va être moche pour les photos si ces verres sont sales

 

Un petit coup de lingette sur la vitre puis approcher la lentille de la vitre devrait régler cet inconvénient pour les amateurs de belles photos. Je crois que les vitres sont une mesure de précaution. Un cellulaire est si vite échappé sur le quai avec l'envie d'aller le récupérer...

[p_xavier]

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/how-some-universally-accessible-montreal-metro-stations-are-not

[Chuck-A]

il y a 1 minute, p_xavier a dit :

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/how-some-universally-accessible-montreal-metro-stations-are-not

Oh, come on ! 

How some 'universally accessible' Montreal métro stations are not
"If we can't board the trains, then what's the use of having an elevator?"

JASON MAGDER, MONTREAL GAZETTE  |  Updated: February 24, 2020

Martin Dion is seen riding the métro in 2017. The MR-73 trains like the one seen here don't line up properly with the station platforms, making it difficult for people in wheelchairs to get on at many stations. PHIL CARPENTER / MONTREAL GAZETTE

Montreal’s transit agency says 15 métro stations are universally accessible — but wheelchairs can’t board trains in at least four of those.

Martin Dion, of the lobby group Regroupement activistes pour l’inclusion Québec, raised the issue to board members of the Société de transport de Montréal at its monthly meeting on Feb. 5.

He noted that at Snowdon and Jean-Talon stations, the platforms are too low for wheelchairs to board trains running on the Blue Line.

And at Lionel-Groulx and Honoré-Beaugrand stations, Green Line platforms are high enough only to allow wheelchairs to board on newest Azur trains — not the MR-73 models that make up most of the trains running on that line.

“The space between the platform and the train makes it impossible to get on, and it would be even worse for someone with a manual wheelchair,” Dion said. “That means these stations are not accessible.”

RAPLIQ president Linda Gauthier asked: “If we can’t board the trains, then what’s the use of having an elevator?”

It takes about two years and tens of millions of dollars to retrofit a métro station with elevators. The Honoré-Beaugrand station, one of the most recent to add an elevator, cost $20 million to retrofit.

STM spokesperson Philippe Déry said the transit agency is aware of the problem, and that the platforms at several stations must be raised to the level of the trains. That work has already been done at many stations on the Orange Line.

On its website, the STM explains that workers put in place a graded slope so that the part of the platform where the front of the train arrives is up to 65 millimetres higher than the lowest point of the platform. Wheelchairs are permitted to board only on the first car, because that’s where the train and platform are at the same level.

Elevators have been in service at the Lionel-Groulx, Jean-Talon and Snowdon stations for several years, but the work to raise the platforms has not been completed. Déry said crews prioritized Orange Line platforms at those stations, because there are more elevator-equipped stations on that line.

Déry said the STM expects to raise the platforms for Blue Line trains at the Snowdon and Jean-Talon stations and for the Green Line trains at Lionel-Groulx this year.

As for Honoré-Beaugrand, the problem is the Green Line runs two different types of trains, Déry noted. The platform has been raised to the level of the Azur trains, which are in the minority on that line — for now.

He said more Azur models will be deployed on the Green Line, and will eventually make up the majority of trains on that line. The STM is to take delivery of 17 Azur trains between this spring and August 2021.

Meanwhile, Dion said, commuters in wheelchairs at Honoré-Beaugrand must wait around for the right train to come in order to board. “Sometimes you have to wait 30 minutes or longer for an Azur train,” he said. “It’s a real waste of time.”

Gauthier said it’s unacceptable that the STM puts elevators into service without ensuring that wheelchairs can get on the trains. Many of her members lack the confidence to use the métro, she said, and that results in a loss of mobility.

“People are afraid that they won’t be able to get onto the train, or if they do, that they won’t be able to get off it,” she said.

Déry said STM staff are available to help people with wheelchairs board or disembark trains, but Dion said the only time he asked for such a ramp, it took 1½ hours for an employee to show up.

“I never asked for help again after that,” he said.

Gauthier said she, too, once had to wait 1½ hours for an STM employee to show up with a ramp.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/how-some-universally-accessible-montreal-metro-stations-are-not

[p_xavier]

9 hours ago, Chuck-A said:

Oh, come on ! 

How some 'universally accessible' Montreal métro stations are not
"If we can't board the trains, then what's the use of having an elevator?"

JASON MAGDER, MONTREAL GAZETTE  |  Updated: February 24, 2020

Martin Dion is seen riding the métro in 2017. The MR-73 trains like the one seen here don't line up properly with the station platforms, making it difficult for people in wheelchairs to get on at many stations. PHIL CARPENTER / MONTREAL GAZETTE

Montreal’s transit agency says 15 métro stations are universally accessible — but wheelchairs can’t board trains in at least four of those.

Martin Dion, of the lobby group Regroupement activistes pour l’inclusion Québec, raised the issue to board members of the Société de transport de Montréal at its monthly meeting on Feb. 5.

He noted that at Snowdon and Jean-Talon stations, the platforms are too low for wheelchairs to board trains running on the Blue Line.

And at Lionel-Groulx and Honoré-Beaugrand stations, Green Line platforms are high enough only to allow wheelchairs to board on newest Azur trains — not the MR-73 models that make up most of the trains running on that line.

“The space between the platform and the train makes it impossible to get on, and it would be even worse for someone with a manual wheelchair,” Dion said. “That means these stations are not accessible.”

RAPLIQ president Linda Gauthier asked: “If we can’t board the trains, then what’s the use of having an elevator?”

It takes about two years and tens of millions of dollars to retrofit a métro station with elevators. The Honoré-Beaugrand station, one of the most recent to add an elevator, cost $20 million to retrofit.

STM spokesperson Philippe Déry said the transit agency is aware of the problem, and that the platforms at several stations must be raised to the level of the trains. That work has already been done at many stations on the Orange Line.

On its website, the STM explains that workers put in place a graded slope so that the part of the platform where the front of the train arrives is up to 65 millimetres higher than the lowest point of the platform. Wheelchairs are permitted to board only on the first car, because that’s where the train and platform are at the same level.

Elevators have been in service at the Lionel-Groulx, Jean-Talon and Snowdon stations for several years, but the work to raise the platforms has not been completed. Déry said crews prioritized Orange Line platforms at those stations, because there are more elevator-equipped stations on that line.

Déry said the STM expects to raise the platforms for Blue Line trains at the Snowdon and Jean-Talon stations and for the Green Line trains at Lionel-Groulx this year.

As for Honoré-Beaugrand, the problem is the Green Line runs two different types of trains, Déry noted. The platform has been raised to the level of the Azur trains, which are in the minority on that line — for now.

He said more Azur models will be deployed on the Green Line, and will eventually make up the majority of trains on that line. The STM is to take delivery of 17 Azur trains between this spring and August 2021.

Meanwhile, Dion said, commuters in wheelchairs at Honoré-Beaugrand must wait around for the right train to come in order to board. “Sometimes you have to wait 30 minutes or longer for an Azur train,” he said. “It’s a real waste of time.”

Gauthier said it’s unacceptable that the STM puts elevators into service without ensuring that wheelchairs can get on the trains. Many of her members lack the confidence to use the métro, she said, and that results in a loss of mobility.

“People are afraid that they won’t be able to get onto the train, or if they do, that they won’t be able to get off it,” she said.

Déry said STM staff are available to help people with wheelchairs board or disembark trains, but Dion said the only time he asked for such a ramp, it took 1½ hours for an employee to show up.

“I never asked for help again after that,” he said.

Gauthier said she, too, once had to wait 1½ hours for an STM employee to show up with a ramp.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/how-some-universally-accessible-montreal-metro-stations-are-not

On devrait demander à elle!

https://archinect.com/news/article/150186314/lego-grandma-constructs-wheelchair-ramps-out-of-lego

[Chuck-A]

il y a 14 minutes, p_xavier a dit :

On devrait demander à elle!

https://archinect.com/news/article/150186314/lego-grandma-constructs-wheelchair-ramps-out-of-lego

Ha ha ! J'adore et j'approuve ! 

[Rocco]

9 hours ago, Chuck-A said:

Oh, come on ! 

How some 'universally accessible' Montreal métro stations are not
"If we can't board the trains, then what's the use of having an elevator?"

JASON MAGDER, MONTREAL GAZETTE  |  Updated: February 24, 2020

Martin Dion is seen riding the métro in 2017. The MR-73 trains like the one seen here don't line up properly with the station platforms, making it difficult for people in wheelchairs to get on at many stations. PHIL CARPENTER / MONTREAL GAZETTE

Montreal’s transit agency says 15 métro stations are universally accessible — but wheelchairs can’t board trains in at least four of those.

Martin Dion, of the lobby group Regroupement activistes pour l’inclusion Québec, raised the issue to board members of the Société de transport de Montréal at its monthly meeting on Feb. 5.

He noted that at Snowdon and Jean-Talon stations, the platforms are too low for wheelchairs to board trains running on the Blue Line.

And at Lionel-Groulx and Honoré-Beaugrand stations, Green Line platforms are high enough only to allow wheelchairs to board on newest Azur trains — not the MR-73 models that make up most of the trains running on that line.

“The space between the platform and the train makes it impossible to get on, and it would be even worse for someone with a manual wheelchair,” Dion said. “That means these stations are not accessible.”

RAPLIQ president Linda Gauthier asked: “If we can’t board the trains, then what’s the use of having an elevator?”

It takes about two years and tens of millions of dollars to retrofit a métro station with elevators. The Honoré-Beaugrand station, one of the most recent to add an elevator, cost $20 million to retrofit.

STM spokesperson Philippe Déry said the transit agency is aware of the problem, and that the platforms at several stations must be raised to the level of the trains. That work has already been done at many stations on the Orange Line.

On its website, the STM explains that workers put in place a graded slope so that the part of the platform where the front of the train arrives is up to 65 millimetres higher than the lowest point of the platform. Wheelchairs are permitted to board only on the first car, because that’s where the train and platform are at the same level.

Elevators have been in service at the Lionel-Groulx, Jean-Talon and Snowdon stations for several years, but the work to raise the platforms has not been completed. Déry said crews prioritized Orange Line platforms at those stations, because there are more elevator-equipped stations on that line.

Déry said the STM expects to raise the platforms for Blue Line trains at the Snowdon and Jean-Talon stations and for the Green Line trains at Lionel-Groulx this year.

As for Honoré-Beaugrand, the problem is the Green Line runs two different types of trains, Déry noted. The platform has been raised to the level of the Azur trains, which are in the minority on that line — for now.

He said more Azur models will be deployed on the Green Line, and will eventually make up the majority of trains on that line. The STM is to take delivery of 17 Azur trains between this spring and August 2021.

Meanwhile, Dion said, commuters in wheelchairs at Honoré-Beaugrand must wait around for the right train to come in order to board. “Sometimes you have to wait 30 minutes or longer for an Azur train,” he said. “It’s a real waste of time.”

Gauthier said it’s unacceptable that the STM puts elevators into service without ensuring that wheelchairs can get on the trains. Many of her members lack the confidence to use the métro, she said, and that results in a loss of mobility.

“People are afraid that they won’t be able to get onto the train, or if they do, that they won’t be able to get off it,” she said.

Déry said STM staff are available to help people with wheelchairs board or disembark trains, but Dion said the only time he asked for such a ramp, it took 1½ hours for an employee to show up.

“I never asked for help again after that,” he said.

Gauthier said she, too, once had to wait 1½ hours for an STM employee to show up with a ramp.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/how-some-universally-accessible-montreal-metro-stations-are-not

Toute la compétence de la STM, right there.

[nephersir7]

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As for Honoré-Beaugrand, the problem is the Green Line runs two different types of trains, Déry noted. The platform has been raised to the level of the Azur trains, which are in the minority on that line — for now.

2 hours ago, Rocco said:

Toute la compétence de la STM, right there.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Je suppose que la STM aurait dû se retenir de construire des ascenseurs sur la ligne verte le temps qu'on se débarrasse de tous les MR-73?

[Dominic723]

il y a 7 minutes, nephersir7 a dit :

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Je suppose que la STM aurait dû se retenir de construire des ascenseurs sur la ligne verte le temps qu'on se débarrasse de tous les MR-73?

Ou juste switcher tout les MR-73 pour des Azur, au-moins pour la ligne verte... question de pas avoir 2 types de métro circulant sur la même ligne... 

[danny12345]

55 minutes ago, Dominic723 said:

Ou juste switcher tout les MR-73 pour des Azur, au-moins pour la ligne verte... question de pas avoir 2 types de métro circulant sur la même ligne... 

ils n'ont pas encore assez d'Azur pour combler les lignes oranges et vertes.  Ça s'en vient!

 

1 hour ago, nephersir7 said:

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Je suppose que la STM aurait dû se retenir de construire des ascenseurs sur la ligne verte le temps qu'on se débarrasse de tous les MR-73?

Les ascenseurs sont également utiles pour les poussettes, les personnes âgées, les jeunes enfants, les béquilles, etc..

[berlude]

Il y a 11 heures, danny12345 a dit :

ils n'ont pas encore assez d'Azur pour combler les lignes oranges et vertes.  Ça s'en vient!

Non, les Azurs seront exploité a 90% sur la ligne verte. Le nombre de train en commande n'est pas suffisant pour le service complet. Tsé le gouvernement avec leur enveloppe budgétaire et font pas les choses au complet. C'est comme le 2/3 de quai complété a St-michel!

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1103901/metro-montreal-stm-153-wagons-trains-azur-ligne-verte

On va avoir 90 % de trains AZUR sur la ligne verte.

 Philippe Schnobb, président de la STM