ville-marie Le Square Children's (Projet Global) - 38, 27, 27, 27, 25, 20 étages

[fmfranck]

La ville a vraiment mal géré ce dossier. On ne peut se fier à la seule bonne foi des promoteurs. J'ai bien peur qu'il ne soit trop tard pour ce projet, mais j'ose espérer qu'on aura appris des erreurs commises dans ce dossier.

[MDCM]

Je peux pas croire que des gens richissimes comme Philipp Kerub et Sarto Blouin préfèrent polluer leurs noms sur la place publique plutôt que de respecter l’entente, ça m’écœure profondément. Je souhaite que la ville les amène en justice, c’est assez, il ne faut plus que ça arrive à Montréal. 

[MDCM]

2 hours ago, fmfranck said:

La ville a vraiment mal géré ce dossier. On ne peut se fier à la seule bonne foi des promoteurs. J'ai bien peur qu'il ne soit trop tard pour ce projet, mais j'ose espérer qu'on aura appris des erreurs commises dans ce dossier.

Absolument, triste à mourrir.

[Dominic723]

Bah, faut pas se surprendre, de la situation... Si la ville n'oblige pas légalement les promoteurs, avec un certains pourcentage, et que l'unique conséquence est une amende, le promoteur va payer l'amende et that's it. C'est plus payant pour eux de payer 6,2M que de construire une tour qui ferait pas autant de profit.

Si la ville était intelligente elle prendrait le 6,2M et construirait des logements avec. Imposer une pénalité ok, mais utiliser cette pénalité pour constuire.

Si la ville tient autant à des logement sociaux dans un projet de luxe, elle devrait signer une entente avec le promoteur, comme un bail emphythéotique dans une partie d'un projet, pour être sure d'avoir son pourcentage d'unités requis. Comme ça le promoteur serait obligé de construire une partie de se développement en logement social.

Car soyons réaliste, les logements sociaux n'ont pas les même standard de qualité que des appartements de luxes (hauteur de plafond, finitions des espaces communs, lieux comment partagé) plus souvent qu'autrement il en reviendrait à faire une entrée différente, des logements plus luxueux. Oui c'est une sorte de segregation, sauf quand paye 400 000 un condo, tu veux pas que n'importe qui peuvent avoir accès a ton entrée. C'est malheureusement dans le monde dans lequel on vit. Car on s'entend que si tu ne payes pas pour un service, tu ne peux pas y avoir accès (piscine, gym terrasse, lounge, etc). Et de plus, en se mettant dans la tête d'un promoteur, pourquoi dépenser de l'argent pour une partie qui ne sera pas rentable...

C'est pourquoi que de forcer la mixite dans un gros projet comme cela peut être compliquer.

 

[ScarletCoral]

à la séance du conseil d'arrondissement de Ville-Marie hier, des citoyens sont allés réclamer des logements sociaux sur le site du Children's

 

[Rocco]

[ScarletCoral]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/childrens-development-social-housing-1.5199386

Social housing plan for old Montreal Children's Hospital site at risk

Mayor says development firm behind the project is 'not respecting its promise'

CBC News · Posted: Jul 04, 2019 7:06 AM ET | Last Updated: 6 hours ago

 

An agreement to build social housing units within a $400-million development at the site of the former Montreal Children's Hospital may be on shaky ground.

Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante said Wednesday she's "not happy" that the negotiations are ongoing, and not comfortable with a development firm that is "not respecting its promise."

The agreement to build social housing, made two years ago, was a condition for the city's acceptance of the project, she said.

"I'm definitely reminding the promoter that for his project to be acceptable for the boroughs … and population around, there has to be social and affordable housing," Plante said.

The city gave its support to the project in Dec. 2016, during the term of then-mayor Denis Coderre.

Last year, Devimco, one of the project's developers, said it couldn't build an elementary school on the site because it couldn't wait any longer for the provincial government and school board to provide plans.

Coun. Cathy Wong, whose Peter-McGill district includes the development site, said the current situation is "extremely disappointing."

She said the sticking point with the developer is the price the city would have to pay for the units.

"That price has changed in the past two years, and now, the price that is being asked is much more," she said. "And just by extending the negotiation process, they are currently not respecting their engagement."

The site, a 1.4-million square-foot property, is situated downtown at René-Lévesque Boulevard and Atwater Street.

Disappointed residents voice frustrations

Many downtown residents were disappointed when the proposed school was scrapped, but there were still hopes for social housing in the massive project.

Community groups protested the latest news Wednesday evening and came together at the Ville-Marie borough council, calling on the city to keep the pressure on.

Corey Gulkin, a spokesperson for the Peter-McGill Community Council, said 42 per cent of the population lives below the low-income threshold in the area.

"We've been in dire need for this housing for years," she said. "And to hear that this tower that could have about 150 apartments — hearing that that might become condos or hotel, it's devastating for us.

"We're very, very concerned at this point that it's going to fall through, that the developers are just going to weasel their their way out of this negotiation process."

Devimco and another developer, High-Rise Montreal, did not respond to CBC's requests for an interview on Wednesday evening.

[Mondo_Grosso]

13 minutes ago, ScarletCoral said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/childrens-development-social-housing-1.5199386

Social housing plan for old Montreal Children's Hospital site at risk

Mayor says development firm behind the project is 'not respecting its promise'

CBC News · Posted: Jul 04, 2019 7:06 AM ET | Last Updated: 6 hours ago

 

An agreement to build social housing units within a $400-million development at the site of the former Montreal Children's Hospital may be on shaky ground.

Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante said Wednesday she's "not happy" that the negotiations are ongoing, and not comfortable with a development firm that is "not respecting its promise."

The agreement to build social housing, made two years ago, was a condition for the city's acceptance of the project, she said.

"I'm definitely reminding the promoter that for his project to be acceptable for the boroughs … and population around, there has to be social and affordable housing," Plante said.

The city gave its support to the project in Dec. 2016, during the term of then-mayor Denis Coderre.

Last year, Devimco, one of the project's developers, said it couldn't build an elementary school on the site because it couldn't wait any longer for the provincial government and school board to provide plans.

Coun. Cathy Wong, whose Peter-McGill district includes the development site, said the current situation is "extremely disappointing."

She said the sticking point with the developer is the price the city would have to pay for the units.

"That price has changed in the past two years, and now, the price that is being asked is much more," she said. "And just by extending the negotiation process, they are currently not respecting their engagement."

The site, a 1.4-million square-foot property, is situated downtown at René-Lévesque Boulevard and Atwater Street.

Disappointed residents voice frustrations

Many downtown residents were disappointed when the proposed school was scrapped, but there were still hopes for social housing in the massive project.

Community groups protested the latest news Wednesday evening and came together at the Ville-Marie borough council, calling on the city to keep the pressure on.

Corey Gulkin, a spokesperson for the Peter-McGill Community Council, said 42 per cent of the population lives below the low-income threshold in the area.

"We've been in dire need for this housing for years," she said. "And to hear that this tower that could have about 150 apartments — hearing that that might become condos or hotel, it's devastating for us.

"We're very, very concerned at this point that it's going to fall through, that the developers are just going to weasel their their way out of this negotiation process."

Devimco and another developer, High-Rise Montreal, did not respond to CBC's requests for an interview on Wednesday evening.

This is terrible publicity for Devimco, shameful really. If the city does lose this battle, I hope they remember the next time Devimco asks for anything from them.

[acpnc]

Il y a 4 heures, Mondo_Grosso a dit :

This is terrible publicity for Devimco, shameful really. If the city does lose this battle, I hope they remember the next time Devimco asks for anything from them.

C'est la preuve qu'en affaires les paroles ne valent rien et que seuls les écrits dûment signés sont la preuve d'une véritable entente. Ici c'est l'ancienne administration qui adonné son accord et c'est l'administration actuelle qui écope du problème. Cependant sur le plan juridique, indépendamment du changement d'administration, c'est toujours le Ville de Montréal (comme entité) qui a la responsabilité de non seulement gérer l'ensemble du dossier, mais aussi de le faire respecter. 

Alors laissons de côté l'angélisme et obligeons la ou les entreprises à réparer l'outrage, en dédommageant la Ville à la hauteur du préjudice en sus de la pénalité.

[MtlMan]

C'est ce genre de crosse d'un promoteur comme celui-ci qui amène la ville à formuler des règlements comme le 20-20-20. Un troudcul qui salit la réputation de tous les autres. Ensuite, c'est tout le monde qui paie la note.

S'il y avait un minimum de bonne foi, ce genre de règlement ne serait pas nécessaire. Et là, comme d'autres on dit plus haut, la ville va effectivement prendre ses responsabilités, with a vengence.