ville mont-royal Royalmount

[Maximus]

Je serais curieux de voir le trafic avec moins de voies sur cette autoroute.

[Rocco]

Il y a 1 heure, SameGuy a dit :

More lanes is never the correct solution.

En tk au moins les routes sont belles et le béton a pas l'air tout fissuré!!

[SameGuy]

Lol

[SameGuy]

Back to the topic: it doesn’t matter whose fault it is that the Quinze40 area is the worst traffic catastrophe east of Toronto, the developer chose the location and the Ville de Mont-Royal council went all-in on it at the time. It’s a terrible idea for its location.

[MARTY]

They can make this elsewhere why can't we go ahead and make Montreal the city with the most beautiful and efficient highway in North America!! We've got no imagination here we just b****, surrender and live in our misery while we blow millions and billions repairing rotting cement that is almost transformed into rust and sand.

[MARTY]

They make this elsewhere. Why can't we go ahead with something like this and make Montréal the city with the most beautiful and efficient highway in North America!! We've got no imagination  here. We just b****, surrender and live in the misery while we blow billions on repairing and patching up structures that are basically sand and rust held together with frost fence. 

 

 

Modifié 26 août 2021 par MARTY

[Djentmaster001]

2 hours ago, MARTY said:

They make this elsewhere. Why can't we go ahead with something like this and make Montréal the city with the most beautiful and efficient highway in North America!! We've got no imagination  here. We just b****, surrender and live in the misery while we blow billions on repairing and patching up structures that are basically sand and rust held together with frost fence. 

 

 

So your solution is to copy what Miami is doing? They have one of the worst urban planning for a major city lol. They spend billions of highways yet still get so much traffic and invest 0 in public transport. 

[MARTY]

 

Double decker is the point of my post . We have no room for making the met wider so double Deck is a possible solution. I have no secret admiration for Miami. Major boulevards that stop and restart after a blocked off area. Think of Langelier in the North end...Viau in the North end. Cavendish in the West end. We have the 440, the 13, Notre Dame est. Everything is half measures. Thank goodness that the new Champlain bridge and the Hwy 25 bridge were built by consortiums.We spend millions upon millions for studies but nothing ever gets built. So far over 60 Millon spent on studies for the Notre Dame east Boulevard...30 years later nothing is done.

[SameGuy]

 

[Né entre les rapides]

Il y a 12 heures, SameGuy a dit :

More lanes is never the correct solution.

Never the correct solution if the resulting increased capacity remains below actual+ potential demand (including so-called "induced demand").  If growth in the Toronto area had halted completely in the mid-70's, the road network as it is today would operate under capacity, with little or no congestion.  In this particular case, it is obviously a ridiculous assumption.  Now, let's make a radically different assumption:  population and economic growth from the mid-70's turned out to be exactly the same as in reality, but no additional lanes/roads were built: if total chaos was understood not to be an option, vastly different patterns of development would have had to emerge;  more public transit infrastructure of course, but not only;  the new residents would have been strongly induced to select  housing locations in much closer proximity to their workplace; for example, living in Whitby and working in Brampton would have been out of the question; further, employers would have to rely on a more geographically confined labour pool;  commercial and industrial activities reliant upon supplies transported by trucks and whose sales/output would likewise reach customers scatterd all over the place, would have had to adjust their business models, except for an embarassing problem, that is: this is how most business is conducted today.  Note also that this is not strictly a North American phenomenon;  in Europe, and most notably in Germany as the main commercial and industrial hub, lorries/trucks are found everywhere, nearly monopolizing the right lane of autobahnen most of the time.  Production of primary, intermediate and final goods used to be closely interconnected; not anymore.  People used to live near their workplace and shop locally; much less so now. 

Admittedly, the "old city" of Toronto has attempted to  reverse the process, for example by stopping the construction of the Spadina expressway;  but it has been incapable to slow down the growth of car-and-truck-oriented suburbs which are now much bigger than the inner city.  Commuters to and from downtown mostly use public transit, but it's a small aspect of the overall picture in the GTHA.  By contrast, Montreal has been comparatively "lucky" , thanks to natural barriers combined with lesser economic dynamism during most of the post-war period to this day.

Il y a 9 heures, SameGuy a dit :

Back to the topic: it doesn’t matter whose fault it is that the Quinze40 area is the worst traffic catastrophe east of Toronto, the developer chose the location and the Ville de Mont-Royal council went all-in on it at the time. It’s a terrible idea for its location.

Right.  It is also possible that this choice of location by the developer turns out to be terrible for him too*.   TMR just looked at the property tax potential and jumped into it.  The town was probably not getting much tax revenues  from this site anyway, so that they had next to nothing to lose.  This represents a classic case where the external diseconomies born by the greater number (the citizens and the economy of Montreal) outweight the (potential or actual) benefits accruing to a developer (plus in this case: TMR proper).  

* But maybe not: I have always suspected that, in this project, the potential profits for the developper  would be derived, not so much from the construction+operations (rental) of the commercial (and possibly residential) buildings, but rather from the capital gain (plus-value in French) associated with the land -- which was likely acquired at a low cost, and could gain immensely if major public infrastructures (such as road improvements) were to be built and paid for by the government, in response to the deteriorating traffic conditions.