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Serious discussion only please state advantages and disadvantages to moving to either of the two cities listed. Please don't mention anything about Qc or French. Be respectful. Thank you.



No winter

Natural beauty



Winter is less harsh than here



Leaning more towards Vancouver because winter is slowly killing me.

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I'd have to say Toronto. First of all, you're still relatively close to Montreal (5 hour drive or 1 hour flight) and secondly, you're still in the eastern Time zone. Might sound stupid, but it does make a difference.


Toronto is a large city, and it feels like a large city. It's economy is great, there's alot of action, you've got more theaters, Operas, concert halls etc.etc.etc. then Mtl, so on the cultural side you are pretty much set. I'm not so sure that Vancouver can offer all the amenities of a large city Like Tor or Mtl can offer.


Obviously the biggest Vancouver has over the two eastern cities is the climate. Hands down winner.

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I like Toronto but the winter weather is what I'm mostly trying to escape from. I never really thought of the time zone dif. Thanks.

I have always liked the US and it's people but it'll take too long to get a job there.

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My list as a database/open source guy


1) Ottawa: Very close to Montreal, decent jobs, good quality of life

2) Toronto: Probably better jobs overall, not sure about the lifestyle

3) USA: Whole different ball game, probably Texas/California/Chicago/NYC. I can easily apply for a TN and be down there within the week.

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As someone who's lived in Vancouver for 3 years, I can tell you I much prefer winter in Montreal. Constant dreariness and grey skies will get to you eventually, plus 1C feels damn cold when it's raining and everything you own is wet. Don't forget Vancouver is also quite a bit farther north so winter days are extra short (not that you get much sunlight during the day anyway). So if you're moving for the climate and staying in Canada, I'd say Toronto or Calgary for big cities. Best weather in Canada is probably Kelowna. Victoria is also quite a bit better than Van and may still offer enough job opportunities, plus the island is the definition of gorgeous.


On the other hand when it comes to the city itself only toronto can really give montreal a run for its money. But I'm sure you know that already.

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Chaque endroit a ses pours et ses contres, certains irritants locaux peuvent être intolérables pour certains, et supportables pour d'autres. Quand nos racines sont moins profondes, il est bien sûr plus facile de se transplanter ailleurs. Vu de l'extérieur les lieux physiques peuvent être très attrayants, mais la mentalité des lieux est invisible et peut transformer le plus beau des paradis en enfer. Cela dépend aussi de l'adaptabilité de chacun, de la famille, de la facilité à se faire un cercle d'amis, à s'intégrer à un milieu nouveau où tout peut être différent.


Finalement si au bout d'un an il n'y a pas de choc culturel, c'est bon signe, et la greffe pourra peut-être prendre. Autrement ce peut être le début d'une vie d'itinérance qui peut être excitante quand on est jeune et plus déprimante à l'âge mûr. J'ajouterais que choisir une ville d'adoption, c'est comme choisir une ou un partenaire de vie. Il faut être aussi exigeant, et la personne qui fera l'affaire n'est peut-être même pas sur la liste, ou demeure encore inconnue. C'est donc un choix ultra personnel, où les garantis n'existent pas et dont le résultat variera d'une personne à l'autre.


Le succès dépendra aussi de notre degré de connaissance de soi-même. La satisfaction est une notion toute relative et le bonheur n'appartient à aucun lieu. Il se bâti de l'intérieur vers l'extérieur et non le contraire. Alors ma réponse à la question est: ici et maintenant.

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