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2 hours ago, thenoflyzone said:

If there is one route in that list that is guaranteed to not happen, it is that one.

And in order to serve it properly, it needs a mainline aircraft because of all the golf bags. It’s economically unviable.

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4 hours ago, SameGuy said:

And in order to serve it properly, it needs a mainline aircraft because of all the golf bags. It’s economically unviable.

AC Express doesn’t have a plane capable of flying non stop to PSP with a full load anyways. 

The E175 comes closest, but with the headwinds westbound, it’s not happening. 

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Le 2022-12-10 à 11:32, thenoflyzone a dit :

The numbers don't justify any of these routes.

O&D demand in 2018

YUL-MCI 12,300

YUL-PSP 4,688.

YUL-STL 16,580

YUL-SLC 15,190.

Just for comparison's sake, SEA O&D was over 33,000 in 2018. YUL-SAN O&D was over 36,000. And in 2018, YUL didn't have non stop to either of these cities.

 

If there is one route in that list that is guaranteed to not happen, it is that one.

Les gens ne vont pas à PSP JUSTEMENT car ce n'est pas direct.  Des destinations soleil avec des correspondances, c'est pas du tout dans les attentes de gens.  Pour avoir fait de la planification en transport collectif au début des années 2000, c'était la même chose.  On ne peut pas prendre uniquement cette information pour la pertinence d'une route.

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In aviation, the vast majority of users shop price. A connecting flight is cheaper than direct 99/100, unless there is competition on the city pair. The other problem here is “reason for travel”: golf. Nobody goes to Palm Springs just because it’s a “destination soleil,” and setting up such a long, thin route for such a limited — albeit well-heeled — market for a four month season is very costly. Golfers from here typically either connect, or rent a car out of John Wayne (SNA) or LAX. It’s less than an hour and a half away from Orange County and most golf travellers will be renting a car anyway. 

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  • 2 semaines plus tard...

Air Canada NS23 Intercontinental Network Adjustment – 20DEC22.

Montreal – Algiers
eff 16JUN23 Seasonal service begins 2 weeks later than previously planned
26JUN23 – 29SEP23 Seasonal service increases from 3 to 4 weekly, A330-300 (Previous: eff 02JUN23)

Montreal – Athens
27MAR23 – 30APR23 787-8 replaces -9, 2 weekly
01MAY23 – 31MAY23 787-8 replaces -9, 5 weekly (new adjustment)
01JUN23 – 30SEP23 450-seater 777-300ER replaces 787-9, 1 daily
01OCT23 – 27OCT23 5 weekly 787-9

Montreal – Barcelona Frequency variation, A330-300 operating
30APR23 – 29APR23 3 weekly instead of 5 (Previous: 4 weekly)
30APR23 – 31MAY23 4 weekly instead of 5
02JUN23 – 01OCT23 5 weekly instead of 7
eff 04OCT23 4 weekly

Montreal – Cairo 03OCT23 – 26OCT23 787-8 replaces 787-9, 3 weekly
Montreal – Casablanca 26MAR23 – 30APR23 787-9 replaces A330-300. Revised frequency variation as follows
26MAR23 – 31MAY23 3 weekly
01JUN23 – 26JUN23 4 weekly
27JUN23 – 30SEP23 5 weekly (AC previously filed 6 weekly 01JUN23 – 02OCT23)
01OCT23 – 27OCT23 4 weekly

Montreal – Dublin 01JUN23 – 30SEP23 787-8 replaces A330-300, 3 weekly (Previous: Service operates until 10OCT23)
Montreal – Frankfurt
25MAR23 – 30APR23 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 787-9, 1 daily
16JUN23 – 09OCT23 Increase from 7 to 12 weekly, AC846/847 with A330-300 (Previous: until 16OCT23)

Montreal – Geneva 19JUN23 – 01OCT23 Increase from 5 to 7 weekly (Previous: eff 01JUL23). A330-300 replaced by following aircraft
01JUN23 – 01OCT23 787-9
03OCT23 – 27OCT23 787-8

Montreal – Lyon 12APR23 – 11OCT23 Service cancelled during this period
Montreal – Milan Malpensa eff 05JUN23 Increase from 5 to 6 weekly, A330-300
AC894 YUL2025 – 1015+1MXP 333 x3
AC895 MXP1150 – 1440YUL 333 x4

Montreal – Nice eff 04JUN23 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly, A330-300 (Seasonal service now schedules from 11MAY23, instead of 06MAY23)
Montreal – Paris CDG 1 of 2 daily AC874/875 aircraft changes
27MAR23 – 30APR23 787-9 (Frequency reduced from 7 to 5 weekly)
01MAY23 – 14JUN23 A330-300 (Replacing 787-9; Frequency reduced from 7 to 5 weekly)
15JUN23 – 03SEP23 450-seater 777-300ER (Previously scheduled until 24OCT23)
04SEP23 – 27OC23 787-9

Montreal – Rome
25MAR23 – 30APR23 787-8 replaces -9, 4 weekly
eff 02MAY23 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 450-seater, 5 weekly (7 from 31MAY23)
17JUN23 – 09SEP23 Increase from 7 to 8 weekly. Extra service operated by 787-8 (New adjustment)
AC892 YUL1930 – 0935+1FCO 77W D
AC904 YUL2145 – 1140+1FCO 788 6

AC893 FCO1325 – 1615YUL 77W D
AC905 FCO1700 – 1935YUL 788 6

Montreal – Tel Aviv
01MAY23 – 31MAY23 Planned 3rd weekly removed. Planned 787-9 replaces -8 unchanged
01JUN23 – 30SEP23 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly, 787-9 replaces -8 (No adjustment)
01OCT23 – 25OCT23 787-8 replaces -9, 3 weekly

Montreal – Venice Seasonal 2 weekly A330-300 from 06MAY23, operates until 26OCT23 instead of 21OCT23
 

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221221-acns23inc

 

 

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il y a 13 minutes, SKYMTL a dit :

Are those A330-300 routes all Rouge?  If so its a significant downgrade for the YUL - BCN route.  

But nice to see the Dreamliner on the Rome route.  

Rouge doesn't have A330. All the previous routes above are mainline.

I don't understand why they cancel the LYS? I thought they were doing good with it. What's the point of not being able to keep LYS, but opening TLS?

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9 minutes ago, SKYMTL said:

Are those A330-300 routes all Rouge?  If so its a significant downgrade for the YUL - BCN route.  

But nice to see the Dreamliner on the Rome route.  

As far as I know, Rouge does not operate wide-body aircraft. Those A330-300 flights should be an Air Canada mainline flights.

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