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Montréal: a gift to the regions

Picher, Claude

 

These days, as soon as you travel a few miles outside Montréal, it’s all the rage to complain bitterly about the “sins and failings” of the metropolis. Here, I’m using the expression that appeared yesterday on the front page of La Presse to introduce the extensive report by my colleague Caroline Touzin on the perception of Montréal in the regions.

 

On this subject, it appears that the regions are ruthless: “Montréal and its inhabitants are guilty of arrogance, blindness, selfishness, and ignorance,” no less!

 

Yet, the reality is this: the regions can howl as much as they want, they’re lucky to have Montréal – and its money.

 

On average, Montrealers are richer than other Quebecers. Because of our progressive tax system, they also pay more taxes. From Gaspé to Rouyn-Noranda and from Baie-Comeau to Huntingdon, the tax dollars of Montrealers pay to build roads, schools, and hospitals; they help finance welfare and unemployment benefits, old age pensions, and other social assistance programs. Without those dollars, the regions could simply not afford to build and maintain infrastructures or provide the same services.

 

By a conservative estimate, we can affirm that at least $4 billion taken from the pockets of Montrealers are redistributed in the regions.

 

Notwithstanding the disputes between city and suburban dwellers, from an economic perspective, Montréal and its suburbs complement each other perfectly.

 

Metropolitan Montréal – or the Island of Montréal and its immediate surroundings (Laval, the South shore from Châteauguay to Boucherville and the northern rim from Deux-Montagnes to Repentigny) – has 3.2 million inhabitants, or 42% of the Quebec population.

 

In 2004, the latest year for which complete tax data is available, the Quebec Government collected a total of $19.6 billion in taxes on personal income. Greater Montréal alone accounted for 48% of this amount, or $9.4 billion.

 

If Montrealers carried a tax burden equal to their demographic weight, therefore, they would pay $1.2 billion less in taxes. But, as we have just observed, they are wealthier, and it is thus only fair that they contribute more to tax revenues.

 

These figures are based on statistics provided by Revenu Québec, which calculates the taxes paid by each administrative region, each municipalité régionale de comté (MRC), and each municipality with 20,000 residents or more.

 

We are just talking about provincial taxes, here. The federal government does not publish such detailed statistics, but because of the similarity of the two tax systems, we can reasonably estimate that Montrealers also send Ottawa $1.2 billion more than called for by their demographic weight.

 

So that brings us to $2.4 billion.

 

The federal government’s three major program expenditures are for old age pensions, transfers to the provinces, and unemployment benefits. Because of the exodus of young people, most regions are aging more quickly than is Montréal. Unemployment hits the regions harder than it does Montréal. And, on a per capita basis, the provincial government’s expenditures are higher in the regions. Put all that together and you don’t need a Ph.D. in math to figure out where the $1.2 billion in federal money is spent.

 

And that’s not all.

 

So far, we’ve only been talking about personal income taxes. This year, Quebec companies will send almost $10 billion in taxes to Ottawa and Quebec City. Given the concentration of businesses in Greater Montréal, we can again make a conservative estimate that 55% of that amount will come from Montréal. Given the demographic weight of our region, that’s $1.3 billion too much.

 

Which brings our total to $3.7 billion.

 

Since, on average, Montrealers earn more than other Quebec residents, they also spend more and pay higher provincial and federal sales taxes. There are no regional statistics on this subject, but Montréal consumers easily send $500 million too much to the two levels of government – based, once again, on their demographic weight.

 

Montréal therefore makes a net transfer of more than $4 billion to the regions, year after year.

 

Of course, this is exactly how it should be. By definition, a rich region has a larger revenue-raising capacity than a poor one, and the system is specifically designed to ensure the redistribution of wealth.

 

But still: before calling Montrealers a bunch of selfish pigs, the whiners in the regions might at least remember that Montréal is the real economic engine of Quebec and that, without the tax money of Montrealers, many of them would have a lot more to complain about.

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NO they will not. It's normal for people outside of the major metropolitain areas of a certain province, state or country to bitch and complain about the big city.

 

Americans love to bitch about NYC, the French Love to complain about Paris, and we all know how most Canadians feel about toronto. Why should it be any different between Montreal and the regions of Québec?

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One thing is for sure is that the Quebec's regions are over-represented in parliement relative to their demographic weight. For example, Gaspésie has about twice as many members in parliement as it should. So is Sagueney/Lac St-Jean, Cote-Nord and Rouyn-Noranda (in lesser proportions though).

 

So, obviously, we get a lot of 'gift giving' at elections time for the regions while, from a purely economic point of view, it doesn't really make sure.

 

I'm working on a post about this soon on my own Web site at:

 

http://resultbasedpolitic.blogspot.com/

 

I will have a break-down for each electoral district.

 

So, although they might not realize that Montreal/Quebec City/Gatineau are a gift to the regions, if at least the electoral map was reformed, they would whine in proportion ot their demographic weight...

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^^I think we have a good article about that somewhere on mtlurb! :)

 

Let us know when yours is ready!

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^^I think we have a good article about that somewhere on mtlurb! :)

 

Let us know when yours is ready!

 

It's up there now. French version coming up when I have some time...

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