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I have noticed in the past months in this forum and many others in SSP/SSC the amount of rants about ugly suburb sprawl and design. These days, Many neighborhood planners just build and go. Sure they might build a park here and there, but nothing that might add uniqueness to a city or town. Personally i had the chance to live in Calgary and I once visited a neighborhood called McKenzie Towne which is by far i think one of the best examples as to how i would develop suburbs in Canada. All the amenities in the central area with beautifully constructed houses on the outside with great parks, fountains and bicycle trails. At night the neighborhood is surprisingly vibrant (only 11, 000 people) with restaurants and fantastic pubs. I can only imagine in 30/40 years how this little town will look with all the trees and vegetation matured! I would love to see these kind of developments around Montreal or Toronto!

 

 

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Les majorité des gens qui amménage en banlieue au Québec ont une vision faible de l'architecture, comparé au même gens ailleurs en amérique. Ce n'est pas les dénigrer, c'est juste un fait (et le pourquoi de toute cette laideur ici en banlieue). Les promoteurs ne font que suivre la demande et n'offre rien de mieux que celui qui construit à côté. La vision des urbanistes municipaux ne sont qu'a un petit niveau supérieur au promoteurs (pour que leur emploi ait une raison d'être).

 

Il faudra beaucoup, beaucoup de temps pour changer une vision de société au complet.

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Plusieures des banlieues de Calgary ne sont pas aussi differentes que celles quont peux trouver ici a Montreal avec des styles faux-versailles et de la fausse-pierre, je tencouragerait meme daller voir sur google maps plusieurs autres developpements qui sont tres atroces. L'example en question que jai donne ici est une preuve que les developpeurs urbain ou compagnies immobilieres sont capable de creer de beaux espaces urbains avec la bonne technique et valeur de construction. Je pense que le probleme nest pas dans la "faible vision" architecturale des acheteurs puisque quand ils les achetent, ils voient des sketchs magnifiques de maisons faites en pierre et des espaces merveilleux quand en realite cest juste du "fake partout" mais simplement un manque de controle des villes qui approuvent ces genres de projets. Il devrait avoir Plus d'exigences en termes de qualite de construction et de developpement durbale autour de ces projets avec des parcs/forets et des espaces commerciaux proches qui soutiennent leconomie locale. Quand tu ajoutes tout ca, tu obtiens une combination gagnante.

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I have noticed in the past months in this forum and many others in SSP/SSC the amount of rants about ugly suburb sprawl and design. These days, Many neighborhood planners just build and go. Sure they might build a park here and there, but nothing that might add uniqueness to a city or town. Personally i had the chance to live in Calgary and I once visited a neighborhood called McKenzie Towne which is by far i think one of the best examples as to how i would develop suburbs in Canada. All the amenities in the central area with beautifully constructed houses on the outside with great parks, fountains and bicycle trails. At night the neighborhood is surprisingly vibrant (only 11, 000 people) with restaurants and fantastic pubs. I can only imagine in 30/40 years how this little town will look with all the trees and vegetation matured! I would love to see these kind of developments around Montreal or Toronto!

 

 

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=mckenzie+towne&hl=en&ll=50.913702,-113.964581&spn=0.015315,0.042272&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=50.913702,-113.964581&panoid=rzCDkdLVVG2sB2fGzF2jrg&cbp=12,280.66,,0,8.68

 

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That looks like new-urbanism. Google Andres Duani. Unfortunately, not a lot of suburbs around Montreal are like that. Bois-Franc is supposed to be inspired by the model although I think the commercial component is too low.

 

Anyway, it's everything that Laval is not! ;-)

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That looks like new-urbanism. Google Andres Duani. Unfortunately, not a lot of suburbs around Montreal are like that. Bois-Franc is supposed to be inspired by the model although I think the commercial component is too low.

 

Anyway, it's everything that Laval is not! ;-)

 

And thank god for that, it's really boring, everything looks the same.

 

This is exactly the same as in St-Laurent in the new Canadair development... it's almost orwellian where you'll get written notice to not do this or that...

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I'd like to see a development of modernist architecture homes, with the street network reasonable with few stops and easy access to a freeway. Calgary neighborhoods tend to be much better in such respect than in Montreal, typically where we'd have a 3 or 4 way stop intersection they just leave it with two stop signs or even just a yield. Roundabouts are nice though for collector intersections and such, and McKenzie Towne is decent for the way it has access to both Deerfoot and 22X. The again, Calgary does not have many freeways though they have a "plan" for many.

 

A lot of Montreal developments just have terrible road access, especially once the whiny resident gets more stop signs and speed bumps put into the neighborhood, and the collector/arterial roads start to crumble apart without repairs ever made... and some have you so far "inside" with the loopty roads it takes you as long to go from the local freeway to your house as the whole traffic-jammed freeway took from downtown :rotfl:

 

I find the architecture @ McKenzie Towne terribly boring much like any other suburban development typically, I actually prefer the Laval "fake castle" with the rock on it :D There are some really cool homes being built as infills in Calgary in older neighborhoods especially those close to downtown or the river or something, but they are typically one-offs and cost big bucks.

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And thank god for that, it's really boring, everything looks the same.

 

This is exactly the same as in St-Laurent in the new Canadair development... it's almost orwellian where you'll get written notice to not do this or that...

 

I said that Bois-Franc is supposed to be like New Urbanism. It isn't proper NU however.

 

I have a few videos of Duany's ideas on http://resultbasedpolitic.blogspot.com/ (some older post).

Basically, suburbs could still be suburbs if people really want to spend their weekends mowing their lawns and balancing the PH of their pool, streets and housing would just be laid out differently.

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Je suis bien d’accord avec le premier post, McKenzie Towne semble bien intéressant comme développement. Pour répondre à la question, selon moi Bois-Franc serait un bel exemple de ce à quoi j’aimerais que la banlieue ressemble, cependant en y ajoutant davantage de commerces et de pistes cyclables et en étant moins enclavé. Les parcs, squares et bassins, la végétation abondante, la largeur des rues, la densité (dans le contexte que le projet se trouverait en banlieue), un service de transport en commun régulier, les trottoirs ainsi que l’aménagement des terrains (par exemple une seule entrée de garage pour 2 maisons unifamiliales) sont des éléments qui y sont présent et qui le sont trop rarement en banlieue.

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[video=youtube;FNJhCwp-UU0]

 

Wouldn't that be something. Living in a suburb, where everyone owned 1 or more Ferrari's :P

 

Check this link out, Small Town Gems. It lists towns all over the 50 states, which look appealing to live in. I will go through and see if I can find one that would look nice here. Plus there is always CNN Money yearly list of "Best Places to Live", which has some interesting and beautiful towns / cities.

 

I am right now checking out, Duany Plater-Zyberk & Company. The "new-urbanism" is quite nice, it is pretty much what towns and small cities use to look like. Thats why I like going to Maine, Vermont and other places. They are pretty much timeless. It is like we are going back to the '50s. Everything looked lovely, people were happier, everything was cleaner and so on.

 

Where I live currently, I am down the street from the Beaurepaire Village and the city of Beaconsfield did try to make it more "new-urban", but to me it didn't turn out so well.

 

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