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J'ai dû fermer temporairement le sujet, et purger la chicane politique. C'est la deuxième fois en quelques jours que je dois faire cela. Notre forum mérite mieux que plusieurs pages de réponses insultantes. Les opinions politiques peuvent se partager d'une manière polie. Dans un sujet sur un projet immobilier, la politique devrait être gardée à un minimum, histoire d'assurer une certaine cohérence et pertinence à la discussion. Tenons-nous aux faits, à l'impact étudié et justifié de ces décisions. On peut éviter de passer des jugements de valeur sur ces décisions. 

Si vous tenez à critiquer (ou défendre) le parti au pouvoir d'une manière plus générale, il y a une section politique pour cela. Il faut simplement se rappeler que la discussion doit rester agréable pour tous.

Je m'excuse pour tous les messages masqués, je n'aime pas retirer du contenu de bons contributeurs, mais je préfère qu'on purge totalement le dérapage qui n'en finissait plus depuis ce matin, ainsi que les références à ces messages.

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Il y a 12 heures, vincethewipet a dit :

Si quelqu'un demandait de construire une porcherie dans mon quartier avec son propre argent, je dirais non aussi... J'adore le bacon et je suis content qu'on élève des porcs au Québec, mais ça vaut pas dire qu'on doit détruire un quartier fortement résidentiel établi pour cette raison

Excellente réplique!  Le secteur privé n'a pas tous les droits; il se conforme aux lois et règlements existants.  Sinon, c'est la loi de la jungle.  

Dans le cas spécifique de l'emplacement d'un stade de baseball majeur, avec tout ce que ça implique, pour la ville en général et pour le quartier environnant en particulier, je suis d'avis que la question aurait déjà dû être réglée par l'adoption d'un règlement de zonage qui définirait les zones où un tel usage serait permissible.  (J'emploie le pluriel pour signifier qu'on ne se limite pas à un site particulier).  Naturellement, le décret de zonage aurait été précédé des consultations prévues pour ce genre de chose.  En procédant de cette façon, un éventuel projet de stade, proposé sur un site où cet usage est explicitement permis, n'aurait pas à subir les aléas de possibles contestations. (puisque la question aurait été préalablement réglée)

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Le 06/02/2018 à 10:15, Ousb a dit :

Si l’argent vient du privé où est le problème ? On sait déja que ce ne sera pas de l’argent public donc pourquoi s’opposer au lieu du stade aussi ? Je suis confus là

La gaugauche et les bobos, présentement au pouvoir à Montréal, rêvent que Montréal soit une ville de foot.  Culturellement, le baseball est beaucoup trop nord-américain pour eux.  De plus ils voient le baseball comme une menace pour le développement du soccer dans la métropole.  Ils feront tout pour mettre des bâtons dans les roues de ceux qui travaillent pour un retour des Expos.

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il y a 58 minutes, TomSawyer a dit :

La gaugauche et les bobos, présentement au pouvoir à Montréal, rêvent que Montréal soit une ville de foot.  Culturellement, le baseball est beaucoup trop nord-américain pour eux.  De plus ils voient le baseball comme une menace pour le développement du soccer dans la métropole.  Ils feront tout pour mettre des bâtons dans les roues de ceux qui travaillent pour un retour des Expos.

Le pire est que tu as pas tord.

 

J'adore les 2 sports mais ces 3 sports (  baseball et le football américain vs Soccer) est un exemple simple  des conflits entre  la gauche et la droite débiles...

La droite abrutissante de Québec la répète sans cesse...qu'on est en Amérique du Nord et qu'on doit aimer le baseball et le foot américain...et que le soccer est un sport plate pour les Européens  faqueux etc.

 

La go-gauche dit le contraire en mentionnant qu'il y a rien de noble dans le foot américain etc..

 

Ces 2 extrêmes me donnent de l'urticaire et le pire est que cette droite domine le discours populaire à Québec et c'est le contraire pour Mtl.

 

 

 

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il y a 30 minutes, crosbyshow a dit :

Le pire est que tu as pas tord.

 

J'adore les 2 sports mais ces 3 sports (  baseball et le football américain vs Soccer) est un exemple simple  des conflits entre  la gauche et la droite débiles...

La droite abrutissante de Québec la répète sans cesse...qu'on est en Amérique du Nord et qu'on doit aimer le baseball et le foot américain...et que le soccer est un sport plate pour les Européens  faqueux etc.

 

La go-gauche dit le contraire en mentionnant qu'il y a rien de noble dans le foot américain etc..

 

Ces 2 extrêmes me donnent de l'urticaire et le pire est que cette droite domine le discours populaire à Québec et c'est le contraire pour Mtl.

 

 

 

Exact.

 

En ce qui me concerne ça n'a rien d'idéologique, je préfère le baseball et c'est tout.  Par contre, à cause de cette préférence,  cette petite guerre complètement ridicule à Montréal est en train de m’écœurer du soccer. Dommage..

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Les Expos 2.0 en hibernation


PHILIPPE CANTIN
LA PRESSE

En mars dernier, l’enthousiasme était vif à propos de la renaissance des Expos. Le maire Denis Coderre portait l’idée avec vigueur, Stephen Bronfman déclarait avoir confiance de pouvoir réunir un milliard et demi pour acquérir une équipe et plus de 90 000 personnes étaient attendues au Stade olympique pour les deux matchs préparatoires des Blue Jays de Toronto.
Un an plus tard, ce rêve fou du retour du baseball majeur à Montréal semble stoppé par un coup de frein. Le dossier n’est pas une priorité de la nouvelle administration municipale et la défaite de Denis Coderre aux élections de novembre dernier prive le projet de son principal porteur de ballon.
La visite annuelle des Blue Jays, lundi et mardi prochains, suscite aussi moins d’engouement que par le passé. Deux raisons l’expliquent. D’abord, la présentation de matchs préparatoires est un concept déjà usé. Voilà pourquoi Denis Coderre souhaitait attirer au Stade des affrontements du calendrier régulier.
Ensuite, un changement dans la convention collective du baseball majeur devance l’ouverture de la saison afin d’offrir aux joueurs des jours additionnels de congé durant l’été. Les Blue Jays seront donc à Montréal en début de semaine plutôt que les vendredi et samedi. Les jeunes familles et les amateurs de l’extérieur de la région n’assisteront pas aussi nombreux au rendez-vous.
Résultat, le message lancé au commissaire du baseball sur l’intérêt des Québécois à retrouver les Z’Amours sera moins percutant. Sur le plan de l’image, ce sera le premier recul depuis 2014, lorsque le succès inattendu de la visite des Blue Jays au Stade olympique a résonné aux quatre coins de l’Amérique sportive.
Ajoutons à cela qu’il n’existe aucun lien entre le commissaire Rob Manfred et la mairesse Valérie Plante, celle-ci n’ayant pas pris contact avec lui depuis son élection. Elle n’a pas davantage rencontré les investisseurs montréalais intéressés par le retour des Expos, me confirme son porte-parole. Un seul entretien a eu lieu entre la Ville et des représentants des investisseurs, mais à un niveau hiérarchique moins élevé des deux côtés.
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Alors, le projet de retour des Expos est-il en voie de s’éteindre à petit feu ? Pas du tout, même s’il faut bien reconnaître qu’il est actuellement en hibernation. Et qu’il faut creuser un peu pour trouver des signes positifs.
Le plus important d’entre eux est que le groupe d’investisseurs, avec Stephen Bronfman à sa tête, n’a pas rangé les armes.
De plus, un entretien entre les principaux promoteurs du projet et Valérie Plante est prévu « dans quelques semaines » même si aucune date n’est encore fixée, m’explique le cabinet de la mairesse.
Enfin, les modifications apportées au projet du futur train électrique qui sillonnera la région ne nuisent pas à la construction d’un nouveau stade de baseball, contrairement à certaines appréhensions. Au contraire, le tracé est en parfaite harmonie avec le projet imaginé.
Cela dit, rien n’annonce un développement important dans ce dossier avant longtemps. Et l’état du projet à Montréal n’a rien à voir avec cette situation. Le baseball majeur doit d’abord mettre de l’ordre dans ses affaires.
Malgré le passage des mois, les Rays de Tampa Bay et les Athletics d’Oakland n’ont toujours pas résolu l’épineuse question de leur nouveau stade. Et Rob Manfred a déjà expliqué que le baseball majeur n’envisagerait pas d’expansion avant le règlement de ces deux dossiers.
À Tampa, un lieu a été ciblé pour accueillir la nouvelle demeure des Rays. Mais l’enjeu du financement (on évoque un projet d’au moins 600 millions US) demeure entier. Conclure un accord acceptable pour toutes les parties sera une tâche complexe. Selon les médias locaux, les Rays proposent pour l’instant de débourser une part de 150 millions US des coûts de construction.
À Oakland, le projet de nouveau stade a connu un recul majeur en décembre dernier, lorsque le plan imaginé par les dirigeants des Athletics est tombé à l’eau. Ils examinent présentement d’autres options.
Bien sûr, pour Montréal, le scénario idéal serait que le propriétaire des Rays déménage son équipe au Québec en demeurant actionnaire majoritaire et en offrant aux investisseurs québécois une participation dans l’équipe. Cette opération serait nettement moins coûteuse que l’acquisition d’un éventuel club de l’expansion. Mais tout cela tient surtout du rêve.
Le baseball majeur est aussi aux prises avec un autre problème : la détérioration de sa relation avec l’Association des joueurs. Le marché de l’autonomie a tourné au ralenti durant l’hiver. Les offres aux meilleurs joueurs disponibles ont été rares et moins généreuses que dans le passé, une situation dénoncée par plusieurs agents.
Ce n’est pas tout : l’Association des joueurs a aussi déposé un grief contre les Marlins de Miami, les Rays, les Athletics et les Pirates de Pittsburgh, leur reprochant de ne pas utiliser les sommes obtenues du partage des revenus pour renforcer leur formation. Bref, pour la première fois depuis très longtemps, les relations patronales-syndicales semblent engagées dans une mauvaise direction. Cela ne favorise certainement pas la possibilité d’une expansion.
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Après Régis Labeaume, qui s’est fait le champion du retour des Nordiques à Québec, et Denis Coderre, qui a agi de la même façon en travaillant à celui des Expos, les priorités de Valérie Plante entraînent un réalignement des choses.
Pour la première fois depuis longtemps, la mairie d’une des deux plus importantes villes du Québec ne met pas tout son poids politique derrière le retour d’une équipe professionnelle.
Les investisseurs intéressés par le retour des Expos le comprennent très bien. Cette nouvelle donne n’anéantit pas leurs espoirs. Mais elle complique leurs ambitions. Car les ligues professionnelles ne s’établissent plus dans des villes où elles ne sentent pas un appui entier de toutes les parties prenantes.
Remarquez que parfois, elles font aussi un pied de nez à celles où le projet remporte une forte adhésion. Les gens de Québec peuvent malheureusement en témoigner.
Aujourd’hui, dans la capitale comme dans la métropole, les amateurs qui souhaitent l’arrivée des Nordiques et des Expos dans leur version 2.0 doivent s’armer de beaucoup de patience.

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Le baseball majeur doit d’abord mettre de l’ordre dans ses affaires.
Malgré le passage des mois, les Rays de Tampa Bay et les Athletics d’Oakland n’ont toujours pas résolu l’épineuse question de leur nouveau stade. Et Rob Manfred a déjà expliqué que le baseball majeur n’envisagerait pas d’expansion avant le règlement de ces deux dossiers.

Ça c'est le principal problème en ce moment. Tant que cette situation perdure, rien ne peut se concrétiser. Et 2 ou 3 semaines de plus avant une rencontre entre Plante et les investisseurs ne change rien à l'affaire. Dans le contexte où ce sont les dossiers de Tampa et Oakland qui stagnent, ça n'a aucune incidence.

 

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23/03/2018 05:43 EDT | Actualisé il y a 2 heures

Valérie Plante rencontrera Projet Baseball Montréal pour parler d'un stade et des Expos

Le retour du baseball n'est pas mort.

Olivier Robichaud

Le projet de retour des Expos à Montréal n'est pas mort. La mairesse Valérie Plante rencontrera bientôt Projet Baseball Montréal, qui tente d'obtenir un nouveau stade et une nouvelle concession de la Major League Baseball.

La planète baseball s'active autour du Stade olympique de Montréal depuis quelques jours, à l'approche des matchs préparatoires des Blue Jays de Toronto. Alors que la vente de billets est moins importante que par les années passées, la question d'un retour éventuel des Expos dans la métropole continue de se poser.
 
Questionné à ce sujet, le cabinet de la mairesse confirme que la première magistrate parlera de baseball avec le promoteur.
 
«Des gens dans notre équipe sont en contact avec les promoteurs et la mairesse rencontrera les responsables prochainement», indique l'attachée de presse de Mme Plante.
 
Le HuffPost Québec n'a pas réussi à joindre Warren Clomartie, président du groupe Projet Baseball Montréal.

La planète baseball en attente

Cette nouvelle a de quoi réjouir les amateurs. Selon Maxime Lamarche, président de Baseball Québec, le monde du baseball québécois attend de connaître les intentions de Mme Plante pour avancer dans le dossier du retour des Expos.

«Tout le monde a pris un pas en arrière pour analyser comment ça se passe avant de jouer nos prochaines cartes», affirme-t-il.

M. Lamarche estime que le projet a reçu un certain coup avec la défaite électorale de Denis Coderre, un «porte-parole extraordinaire pour le baseball». Il dit toutefois que le succès du projet des Expos ne dépendait pas de l'ancien maire.

Valérie Plante a montré beaucoup moins d'enthousiasme que son prédécesseur pour l'idée d'une équipe et d'un stade de baseball. Elle a promis de tenir un référendum avant d'injecter de l'argent public dans un stade.

À ce sujet, le cabinet de Mme Plante montre une certaine réserve.

«Nous attendrons de voir où est rendu le projet lors de la rencontre [avec Projet Baseball Montréal], mais comme la mairesses l'a toujours dit, elle est ouverte à ce projet. Il est donc trop tôt pour parler d'un référendum», indique son attachée.

Le Stade se fait une beauté pour le baseball

Parallèlement aux discussions entre la Ville et Projet Baseball Montréal, le Stade olympique se prépare aussi à un retour éventuel des Expos. Jeudi, la Société du Parc olympique a renommé sa loge corporative, le Club du receveur, en l'honneur de Gary Carter, célèbre receveur des Expos qui est décédé en 2012. Le décor du lieu a été revu en conséquence.

«Les protagonistes du retour du baseball indiquent qu'ils ont besoin d'un nouveau stade. Moi, j'ai toujours dit publiquement qu'ils ont besoin du Stade olympique avant, pendant et après le retour des Expos. Avant pour illustrer la popularité du baseball avec les matchs présaison, pendant parce qu'ils peuvent avoir une concession sans que le nouveau stade soit prêt, et après pour des matchs de séries éliminatoires», affirme le président-directeur général du Parc olympique, Michel Labrecque.

Les Blue Jays joueront leurs matchs de présaison au Stade olympique les 26 et 27 mars. La vente de billets est toutefois moins importante que l'an dernier. Environ 50 000 billets ont été vendus pour les deux matchs, contre plus de 100 000 l'an dernier.

Selon Jacques Aubé, chef d'exploitation d'evenko, le fait que les matchs ont lieu en semaine plutôt qu'en fin de semaine explique la différence.

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      "Guys are getting drafted every year," Lavinskas said, summing up his hopes after moving on from the Elite League.
       
      With Baseball Québec's work, the sport's foundation in Montréal is stabilizing, with or without Olympic Stadium's help.
       
      Aside from a single postcard and one or two minutes of a 30-minute tour, baseball's only other fingerprint on the facility stands right out front, a statue of Jackie Robinson.
       
      After signing Robinson, Branch Rickey sent him to Triple-A Montréal. On the road, Robinson was jeered just as he would be when he was promoted, but in Montréal, fans loved their star second baseman.
       
      Robinson batted .349 with the Triple-A Royals that season, leading the team to a 100-win season. During Robinson's final game with the team, fans gave him a standing ovation, and a second curtain call, amazing support for a black athlete in 1946.
       
      "The fans just chased him after the game because they loved him and didn't want him to go," Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame president and CEO Tom Valcke said. "Rachel Robinson once said, 'That must have been one of the first times a white mob was chasing a black man for a good reason.' Don't tell me Montréal has bad baseball fans. They've always been great."
      Even if baseball did not live on at Olympic Stadium, at least baseball left a marker of tolerance in its place, and that is worth more than a hall of jerseys and signed balls. Stephen Ellsesser is a contributor to MLB.com. Associate reporter Jayson Addcox contributed to this report. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
       
       
       
       
       
       
      A ballpark that never was
       
      MONTREAL -- Labatt Park has had two deaths -- not bad for something that never actually existed.
       
      Condos now stand where the downtown park would have been built, and after the project was canned, the model of the park was passed to the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum.
       
      On one truly unlucky night in the Hall's archives, the model also met its destruction.
       
      "They just destroyed it, the two very troubled young men," said president and CEO Tom Valcke, recalling a day he said literally brought tears to his eyes. "It could have been a stagecoach or an old ping-pong table, but they wanted to destroy whatever got in their way that night."
       
      The 12-by-12 model, too large to be a regular fixture at the St. Marys, Ontario, museum, was in storage. Although a smaller Labatt Park model exists, the larger one (valued at $80,000 Canadian) was a sight to behold.
      "It was something -- one of the showstoppers in our collection," said Tom Valcke, director and CEO of the Hall. "I've never seen anything else like it, nothing before and nothing since. The detail -- individual seats, trees, all the concession stands -- it was beautiful."
       
      The model made an initial showing at the Hall, then Valcke put it away until a proper space could be created for it.
       
      Less than a month after the Expos franchise began its new life at RFK Stadium, two teenagers broke into the building where the model was kept and destroyed it, adding a bizarre and somewhat ironic twist to the life of the park that never was and never would be.
       
      Valcke said the Hall kept the pieces and that it could be reassembled, but that the task would be daunting and that it would be difficult to recapture the piece's original majesty. "We kept every single splinter of it," he said. -- Stephen Ellsesser
    • By Philippe
      Un article intéressant sur portfolio.com que j'ai trouvé sur skyscraperpage.com. Selon cet article et selon les revenus personnels disponible (API), Montréal serait, avec Riverside, les deux seuls villes capables de faire vivre une nouvelle équipe de Baseball... Et Montréal se classerait 3ème en Amérique du Nord pour attirer une franchise de la NFL ...
       
      Extrait de l'article
       
      Just two markets currently outside of MLB have income bases sufficiently large to join its ranks: Riverside-San Bernardino, California, and Montreal. And the latter is tainted because it lost a baseball franchise, the Expos, to Washington five years ago (the Expos were renamed the Nationals).
       
      La charte pour tous les sports
      http://www.portfolio.com/resources/SportsChart.pdf
       
      L'article:
      http://www.portfolio.com/industry-news/sports/2009/12/04/how-cities-rank-for-potential-sports-expansion/index1.html
    • By pedepy
      this is kinda old, but it's well written and pretty interesting from an 'historical' point of view, of sorts ...
       
      it's a 1999 washington post tourism piece, set in the context of a d.c. man visiting montreal, and going to a ball game "to see the team washington will probably inherit". it nicely highlights the city's unique attractions, all the while quite accurately summing up the general mood that surrounded baseball in montreal at the time.
       
      oh, and for extra sentimentality, read with
      in the background ...  
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      Montreal, Expos'd
      Visiting the City Whose Team Might Call D.C. Home
       

      By Mike Tidwell
      The Washington Post
      Sunday, July 11, 1999
       
       
      Hundreds of crazed fans in this crowd of 5,000 foreigners begin standing and savagely slamming the backs of their chairs up and down, up and down to register their intense approval of what's going on on the playing field. The act creates sharp explosions of sound not unlike small-arms fire. The only people not banging chairs, it seems, are the sticky-fingered children eating deep-fried dough or forking strange mounds of fried potatoes laced with cheese and gravy.
      Suddenly, down on the field halfway through this "match," something bad happens for the home team. The French-speaking fans begin yelling at the mostly Spanish-speaking players: "Pourri! Pourri!" Rotten! Rotten! People whistle and blow long, booming plastic horns.
       
      I am, of course, taking in a major league baseball game in Montreal. I'm watching the pinstriped Expos on their home turf, a nine-inning experience that's perhaps the best multicultural adventure available to Washingtonians within easy flying distance of Reagan National Airport. It's a spectacle, a combination of God's two greatest inventions: baseball and international travel. As a junkie for both, I'm borderline apoplectic, immersed in fastballs and home runs, foreign billboards and surnames I can't pronounce.
       
      But a worrisome question nags as I sip my Molson: Do we really want these guys? Unless you're tone deaf to sports news, you probably know there's rampant speculation that the financially troubled Expos may move to the D.C. area.
       
      So I've come here as more than a sports tourist. I'm on a scouting mission, crossing the border for a sneak preview. I've already told my 2-year-old son, an emerging fan back in Takoma Park, that this is his team. He wears a tiny Expos hat when we play Whiffle ball in the back yard.
       
      But seeing this team firsthand reveals the naked truth: They're awful. Just now, an Expos batter strikes out on four pitches against the Philadelphia Phillies, triggering grumbles from the sparse crowd at Olympic Stadium. The team mascot--an orange and hairy something called "Youppi" (French for "hooray")--leads the fans in more chair-slamming fun, trying to keep a rally alive.
       
      The next batter runs the count full, teasing the fans, before popping out to the pitcher. More grumbles. The Expos have the lowest team payroll in baseball and some of the youngest players--and they are off to one of their worst starts in the team's 30-year history. Two nights ago, the players committed six errors in a single game.
       
      Again: Do we really want these guys?
       
      The answer, of course: Oui! Si! Yes! Please! Pretty please! Pretty please with whipped cream and a new, stylishly retro downtown stadium within easy walking distance of the Metro on top!
       
      Expos second baseman Wilton Guerrero steps to the plate as Youppi waves his hirsute arms wildly and the fans begin yelling things in French I can't understand. Guerrero, like the rest of the team, is in a terrible slump, and he falls behind in the count just as I come to a realization: Whatever happens in this game, I'll leave without regrets. If the Expos decamp for Washington, this will be the last summer to see French Canadian big-league baseball, a phenomenon worth catching before it goes, if for no other reason than it provides something found nowhere else in North America: minor league baseball with major league players.
       
      For anyone fashionably tired of big pro salaries, high ticket prices, arrogant players and the hassle of big crowds, the Expos offer the best of all worlds. I took a cheap Air Canada flight here, spent two days touring one of the world's great cities, and now I'm getting the farm league treatment: a tiny crowd, players barely old enough to shave, a crazy marriage proposal in the stands brokered by the mascot, and a wooden outfield scoreboard with numbers updated manually by teenagers. All this for the ridiculously low ticket price of less than $5 U.S. and a seat so close to the action that I can almost smell the pine tar.
       
      Guerrero bounces to second for an out, ending the inning. I do the only sensible thing. I order another Molson.
       
      My innkeeper in downtown Montreal, Madeline, says in accented English, "So what if the Expos leave town? There are many things fantastique and unique in Montreal besides just the Expos."
       
      She's right, of course, and during my two-day stay I'm determined see some "things fantastique" before hitting the ballpark.
       
      I begin by renting a mountain bike and pedaling straight to the top of Mont Royal, the dramatic, forested mountain (okay, a big hill) in the dead center of town that gives the city its name. A winding gravel road takes me through stands of Canadian maples to a beautiful summit park designed by Frederick Law Olmsted. It's odd to stand at the grassy pinnacle and be eyeball to eyeball with the tops of skyscrapers just 10 blocks away.
       
      On the way down, pausing for great views of the lovely St. Lawrence River, I pass a pair of oddly segregated cemeteries--one for French speakers, one for English speakers--a site that mutely summarizes the long-festering cultural divisions within Quebec.
       
      I pedal to the cobblestone streets of Old Montreal, a 40-square-block delight of colonial structures and alleyways filled with horse-drawn caleches and itinerant artists. A warm spring sun has unloosed crowds of diners on the city's Euro-gamut of outdoor cafes, bistros and restaurants. The legendary French Canadian reputation for highly developed leisure skills is on full display this Sunday afternoon amid a sea of white tablecloths and red wines so good that even the vin de maison is a pretty sure bet. I eat grilled salmon served rare with escargots on a bed of scallions and garlic, and nearly swoon.
       
      The next day is game day. I visit the Old Fort on St. Helen's Island, in the middle of the St. Lawrence River, before heading to Olympic Stadium. After the War of 1812, the British prepared for a possible American invasion of Montreal by building this moated fortress with eight-foot-long cannons and two-meter-thick stone walls. As something of an invader myself, I grow slightly self-conscious inside those walls. Maybe I'm paranoid, but the eyes of those period-dress sentries make me think they're onto me, pegging me as the expeditionary fingertip of Washington's long arm reaching up to snatch the Expos. I make a discreet but hasty exit.
       
      I arrive three hours before the game, leaving plenty of time to tour the flag-festooned Olympic Park. I buy a ticket for the highly touted gondola ride rising from the spine of Olympic Stadium. Photos of the 1976 Games ornament the waiting area: Nadia Comaneci, Kornelia Ender, Sugar Ray Leonard.
       
      But I soon learn something unexpected about myself: Facing backward in a gondola rapidly moving upward at a 45-degree angle makes me afraid. At the top, pale and sweating, I take in a dramatic aerial view of the famous Olympic Village, the Montreal Botanical Garden and the city's 1967 international Expo site.
       
      Back on terra firma, there's time for one more stop: Moe's Deli and Bar, where Expos fans gather. It's a friendly place with exposed-brick walls, barbecued ribs and desserts kept in an old phone booth by the bar. It's happy hour--two-for-one Labatt beers--till well past game time, perhaps to anesthetize the fans for the poor play sure to follow.
       
      I sit at the bar next to Daniel, a baseball-hatted Expos loyalist, who has a message for D.C. fans. "Don't accept our Expos," he tells me. "You've lost two teams of your own before, so you know what it feels like. Please don't do this to us."
       
      I grimace and finish my second Labatt and push back my stool while Daniel, like all Montrealers I meet, remains a friendly sport to the end.
       
      "When you reach the stadium," he says, "buy the cheapest ticket in the house. It's only $7 Canadian [$4.80 U.S.]. Then, after the first pitch, sit wherever you want."
       
      "A $7 seat, please," I tell the stadium ticket seller moments later, handing over my money. I walk through the turnstile, past the popcorn and pennant venders, toward Section 139, right field. Virtually alone in my area, I take in batting practice amid thoroughly modern trappings: artificial turf, a space-age stadium roof, a gargantuan replay screen in center field. But already it doesn't quite feel like major league baseball.
       
      First, of course, there's the ticket price, about a quarter of what you'd pay at Camden Yards. Then there's the action on the field. An Expos coach is pitching batting practice using a wobbly shopping cart full of baseballs, and he's throwing to the beat of French rock music blasting over the P.A. Thirty feet below me, two teenage boys are standing on a crude scaffold, diligently updating a sprawling pre-World War II-type wooden scoreboard that gives results from around the league. This old-fashioned work, utterly exposed to those of us in the cheap seats, involves taking scores from a press-box official, then reaching into several wooden troughs for wooden slabs hand-painted with numbers and sliding them into the appropriate slot. One of them wears a felt Gatsby hat.
       
      I exit the stands for a quick pregame bite. "One order of poutine," I tell the uniformed attendant at a concession stand. Poutine, a uniquely Quebecois concoction combining french fries, cheddar cheese and beef-stock gravy, is so popular that it's served at McDonald's restaurants throughout the province. I watch the cook in back combine the fries and cheese in a tall paper cup, then slop on a ladleful of thick gravy from a stainless-steel vat. He pauses and then, momentarily indecisive, adds a second, heaping ladleful.
       
      I'm back at my seat in time for the national anthem, spearing dripping mouthfuls of poutine with a fork. For extreme junk food, it's not so bad, though halfway through the serving my stomach begins making odd noises that compete with the junior high school band playing "O Canada" with tubas and French horns on the field.
       
      The Expos take the field next, and the crowd, sprinkled more or less evenly across the stadium, begins banging empty seats up and down in preparation for the opening pitch. Twenty-five-year-old Expos pitcher Mike Thurman is on the mound, and as he warms up you can almost sense the whole place cringe. With an 0-2 record and an ERA of 8.05, he's the worst pitcher on the second-worst pitching staff in the National League. Just two nights ago, Expos pitchers gave up 17 runs in a game.
       
      But the first pitch from Thurman is a strike on the outside corner, and cheers go up just as the strange migration begins. True to Daniel's prediction, everyone in the stands not already seated behind home plate makes a beeline for amazingly choice (and empty) lower-level seats just 20 rows from the field (above a narrow VIP section) in an arc from dugout to dugout. I grab the rest of my poutine and join the exodus. By the end of the first inning, we fans are huddled cozily around home plate.
       
      In the third inning, the Expos stage a mini rally. Third baseman Mike Mordecai lines a clean single to left, and the juices start flowing in the stands. I get caught up in the excitement--this is my team, too--so I stand and begin slamming the back of my chair and cheer madly like those around me. The noise coming from these fans is, no exaggeration, as much as I've heard from crowds four times as big in other parks. Despite the high-decibel support, the rally sputters when Thurman strikes out trying to lay down a bunt.
       
      Next to me, a serious fan named Jean Yves Leduc is studiously scoring the game. He says he's attended at least 40 Expos home games every year for the past two decades. He puts down his scoring pencil and reminisces about highlights, including the 22-inning game against Los Angeles in 1987 and the time he shook hands with third baseman Tim Wallach in the parking lot before a game. "I could feel all the calluses on Wallach's hand from taking extra batting practice every day," Yves says. "I'll never forget those calluses. He was so dedicated to this team and to the game."
       
      And what will Yves do if the Expos leave town?
       
      "I had a talk with my girlfriend," he says, "and I decided that, with all my new free time, I would just go ahead and get married and have a life."
       
      It's the top of the fourth when Thurman makes a mistake pitch and Phillies right-fielder Bobby Abreu lifts a second two-run homer into left field. Four-zip, Philadelphia.
       
      "One more Phillies run," mutters the old farmer next to me after removing his teeth, whistling and putting them back in, "and I'm going home to watch hockey."
       
      Halfway through the fifth inning, Yves gets into an animated conversation with a hot dog vendor. It's all in French, and they both laugh a great deal, and I ask Yves what's so funny. "The crowd's so small tonight that the stadium is telling all the vendors--when they go back for more hot dogs--to go home. They're getting paid for only half a game. But this vendor's decided to avoid the order by not going back to resupply. That way, he can at least get his base pay for the rest of the game."
       
      Sure enough, the vendor walks away with a smile, barking to the crowd, "No hot dogs here! No hot dogs! Pas de chiens chauds!"
       
      Unexpectedly, the Expos make a heroic comeback with three runs in the seventh, while a young relief pitcher called up from Double-A somehow keeps the Phillies scoreless. By the bottom of the ninth, the drama escalates. The Expos are down 4-3 with two outs and a man on second. First baseman Ryan McGuire, who has power, steps to the plate.
       
      We may be few, but we fans do our best. Youppi claps his hairy orange hands and directs our cheers to the field. Chairs are banging. The vendor has stopped not selling hot dogs and is rooting like everyone else. The scoreboard guys are smoking nervously, peeping through a hole in the outfield scoreboard. The guy with the false teeth, true to his word, has stayed to the end.
       
      On a 2-1 pitch, McGuire lifts a towering blast to left field. We jump for joy and cheer louder and louder. But the Phillies's left fielder refuses to give up on the ball. He drifts back, back, back and, incredibly, makes the catch standing against the outfield fence. Five thousand people collapse in their seats in anguish and disbelief.
       
      It was a good game, and the young Expos have no reason to drop their chins. But there is something very sad about the way these previously boisterous fans shuffle slowly out of the stadium. An unusually large number stop and linger at souvenir stands by the exit gates. Souvenir. A French word meaning "to remember." For many of these fans, this may very well be the last time they see their Expos. They buy hats, T-shirts, pennants. To remember.
       
      I take the Montreal Metro back to downtown thinking two things. First, I sincerely hope Montreal figures out a way to keep its team, and prosper, even if it means we in D.C. don't get one. Second, if the Expos do come to us, I can't wait for the day when I can take the Washington Metro to a baseball game with my son. I'll really show him how to make a stadium chair hum.
       
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      :rolleyes:



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