ville-marie Tour Quartier des spectacles (Spectrum) - 14, 33 étages (2018)

[Né entre les rapides]

Il y a 2 heures, ToxiK a dit :

Liberal Effect ?

(Well, the have a Liberal government there too...)

«Liberal» is one of those words  that convey vastly different meanings across the Universe (and even within the confines of Canada).

«Effect» is one of those words  about which it is much easier to refer to, than it is to actually measure. 

Put the two together, as in «Liberal Effect», and you'll be certain to get a consensus, because each and everyone will view it with its own lenses.

Come to think of it: at least for the countries with which we are somewhat (or very!) familiar, the names of the mainstream political parties would appear to be in need of some serious updating, to truly reflect their political lines.

Oups! That was about the Tours Quartier des Spectacles!   Better to at least try to say something relevant about it. OK: at first glance, I like what @FrancSoisD put together in his last message 14 h ago. It might be worthwhile to revisit it in detail later.

[Robert Keaghan Jennings]

7 hours ago, Né entre les rapides said:

«Liberal» is one of those words  that convey vastly different meanings across the Universe (and even within the confines of Canada).

«Effect» is one of those words  about which it is much easier to refer to, than it is to actually measure. 

Put the two together, as in «Liberal Effect», and you'll be certain to get a consensus, because each and everyone will view it with its own lenses.

Come to think of it: at least for the countries with which we are somewhat (or very!) familiar, the names of the mainstream political parties would appear to be in need of some serious updating, to truly reflect their political lines.

Oups! That was about the Tours Quartier des Spectacles!   Better to at least try to say something relevant about it. OK: at first glance, I like what @FrancSoisD put together in his last message 14 h ago. It might be worthwhile to revisit it in detail later.

The Quebec Liberal party is closer in terms of economic policies to the Ontario Progressive Conservatives at the moment. The current Ontario Liberals have strongly veered to the left in the past two decades, trying to rally the population behind transit spending and ideas like universal basic income. This is a long term response to the radically neo-liberal and socially conservative PC government of Mike Harris in the 1990s. Harris notoriously cut spending in areas like education and healthcare, and privatized many public agencies including Ontario Hydro and the provincial driving examination (these privatisations caused more problems than they solved and became very unpopular). If we take the Lesage Liberals as a baseline, Quebec has seen the reverse trend, with Liberals moving away from socially progressive policies.

In the broader sense, there is much confusion about the generic term "liberal". 19th century liberals believed avant-tout in free market and free trade, while conservatives were protectionists. These classical liberals became over time more and more associated with civil liberties and social liberalism, with Keynesian economics and New Deal-type politics. This modern shift is where we get the current American meaning of "liberal", which implies "progressive". Neo-liberal, oddly, is a shift back towards classical liberalism. Of course, the Keynesian period of liberalism is mostly specific to the Anglo-Saxon world, and in the French speaking world, libéralisme has always been associated with laissez-faire policies.

[man with the golden gun]

Il y a 12 heures, Rocco a dit :

Dès que je vois le nom Canderel adossé à un projet, tout suite je sais que ce n'est que balivernes. Cette compagnie est passée maitre dans les projets avortés. Il y a des compagnies qui délivrent, puis il y a Canderel.

Autant Canderel que Westcliff ont beaucoup de difficulté à s'imposer dans le paysage Montréalais. 

[_mtler_]

Would someone be kind enough to remind me what Westcliff lots the author refers to in his article? Thanks in advance.

[GDS]

Canderel is the residential partner for the 3 phases of Tour des Canadiens. Part of that deal must mean that they cannot have a direct competitive project. 

Westcliff owns the vacant lot at Square Victoria and the 500 de Maisonneuve lot

[man with the golden gun]

il y a 7 minutes, GDS a dit :

Canderel is the residential partner for the 3 phases of Tour des Canadiens. Part of that deal must mean that they cannot have a direct competitive project. 

Westcliff owns the vacant lot at Square Victoria and the 500 de Maisonneuve lot

C'est une véritable farce ces 2 terrais de Westcliff. J'ai travaillé de nombreuses années dans la Tour de la Bourse et pendant minimum 10 ans , on voyait une énorme pancarte avec une belle reproduction d'une tour à bureaux d'une trentaine d'étages. Même chose pour le terrain à l'est de la Baie, pendant plusieurs années on voyait une affiche annonçant une tour à bureaux de 23 étages. Je me souviens que le sommet de cette tour était assez original,  au dessus du dernier étage on y voyait un genre de structure métallique qui s' élançait dans les air comme un immense paratonnerre.

[UrbMtl]

il y a 22 minutes, GDS a dit :

Canderel is the residential partner for the 3 phases of Tour des Canadiens. Part of that deal must mean that they cannot have a direct competitive project. 

Intéressant. 

On ne peut donc pas s'attendre à une refonte rapide du projet au 1215 Square Philips et de la tour QDS.

[GDS]

On 7/17/2017 at 11:49 AM, mark_ac said:

Rumour has it that Fiera is going to 1250 de la Gauchetiere.

You mean 1250 Rene-Levesque?

That would be possible is someone was moving out. I don't think there is enough space for lease or sublease there. 

[ConcordiaSalus]

Il y a 3 heures, UrbMtl a dit :

Intéressant. 

On ne peut donc pas s'attendre à une refonte rapide du projet au 1215 Square Philips et de la tour QDS.

À mon avis ces projets doivent forcément passer par un usage mixte pour qu'ils puissent lever. Les deux seules tours 100 % bureaux à avoir poussée au centre-ville ont été la tour Deloitte et la Manuvie. Pas une grande frénésie pour le 100% commercial

Modifié 18 juillet 2017 par ConcordiaSalus

[UrbMtl]

il y a 27 minutes, ConcordiaSalus a dit :

À mon avis ces projets doivent forcément passer par un usage mixte pour qu'ils puissent lever. Les deux seules tours 100 % bureaux à avoir poussée au centre-ville ont été la tour Deloitte et la Manuvie. Pas une grande frénésie pour le 100% commercial

Je suis d'accord avec toi, mais si Canderel a signé un accord avec CF et s'engage à ne pas lancer ses propres projets résidentiels, on devra attendre encore un bon 5 ans avant de voir une refonte de ses projets.