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Could you imagine if we didn't already have good public transit "bones" in MTL but still had all the buffoonery that is our transit agencies? We'd be hopeless. Ça leur a pris, quoi, 4 ans pour décider sur la refonte tarifaire qui elle-même va prendre 2 -3 années de plus pour être complètement en vigueur? Même chose pour la nouvelle carte. Le dossier de la ligne bleu (meme si c'est la STM, tous les agences ont des problèmes majeurs), prolongement de la ligne orange quand on a deja un trou ouvert... le REM et la caisse sont just des excuses. Si l'ARTM avait été just un PEU PLUS efficace, au moins pour décider quels projets sont prioritaires, on serait mieux servi. C'est vraiment clair qu'ils n'ont pas de compétences. Pas à transformer les lignes d'exo en GO train/RER, pas sur le prolongement du metro, et certainement pas en administrations des dossiers/projects qu'ils ont en tête.

C'était juste en 2022 qu'ils prévoyaient le tarif tous modes pour A & B. Là c'est en vigueur pour un carnet de 10 titres... 🤔

Ils ne pouvaient pas garder le rond point. Il n’y avait juste pas assez de place, la pente entre le côté du rond-point et le tunnel piétonnier était trop raide. Même les escaliers en bois qui sont là pour les travailleurs me semblent un peu dangereux et… verticale 😅. Un tunnel piétonnier qui continuait jusqu’à la pointe nord aurait été une bonne chose, par contre. Mais avec des bus en dessous aussi? J’ai vraiment du mal à le voir. D’après moi, les arrêts vont être mal placés mais avoir les quais de l’autre côté de la station (côté sud) est une très bonne chose et ne vas pas nuire à la circulation au moins.

Coming along quickly! But they should have created bus stops with more space on Rene Levesque…

I mean... it's not gonna be high speed. I mostly agree with you. I'm not saying it's better to build one, then upgrade to the other. But it's better to build dedicated passenger rail than not have anything at all. Sadly, I think it's clear that true high speed rail is off the table. Still, ever the optimist, 200km/h rated rail (average of maybe 175km/h?) with bypasses at all the stations and flexible departure times could be great. Price per km per passenger not withstanding.

On peut discuter le fait que le type de service vas être très different (fréquent vs infrequent) mais au final comme SameGuy à dit, la capacité ne sera pas réduite.

I appreciate those of you that are doing the cost analysis per passenger, per km. It's really fascinating to follow the discussion here. Personally, I wish we were spending more money on a TGV... BUT at the end of the day, the number one problem that I think we need to solve is that we we don't have dedicated rails for passengers in this country. I would go as far as saying that we need that almost at any cost. Currently, it is analogous to a company that builds roads for their own vehicles and then users have to negotiate to use those roads with their cars... except CP and CN are the road builder and VIA the users. I'm equally baffled about the quoted travel times and I wonder what the final capabilities of the system will be when it's built, but I think if we can at least start with laying down rail that will have as a purpose to actually transport passengers rather than having freight be the priority, we'd be in far better shape for future projects. If the tunnel mont royal has taught me anything, it's that rail for passengers transforms over time and it's a lot easier financially, politically and practically to make an existing ROW better in some way than lay completely new track.

As of 2020-07-20, the orange, blue, and yellow lines are all connected and the green line is connected from Honoré-Beaugrand to Lasalle. Linked tweet: I propose to change the pinned image to the following, taken from the STM's site.

This is so perfectly summarized. People on nuns island generally have no issue with density, so many were confused as to why higher height limits weren’t implemented so that they could have more green space, (cité-jardin) more services. Most people were for the mixed use aspect of things, but the city clearly had no idea what the residents would be like. I think they’re just used to dealing with NIMBYs, and in this case people just wanted more services and parks and did not want a mini-griffintown, where nothing is properly planned and it’s a complete mess with limited green space. I’ll never forget when one person asked “has a study been done to see whether the island now or with the higher population once all this is built can live off of only one grocery store?” And the answer was a very embarrassing no. Same with more shops. The city completely misjudged what people want, and the funny part was that they just assumed people didn’t want TOD density but instead that’s not really a concern for most. What people seemed to want the most was cohesion with the rest of the already densely populated island, and to respect its unique character. The report did a good job with their recommendations in my opinion. And yes, the roundabout near the REM is a mess. The bike path connection to the Champlain is horrible. Proment claims they would have collaborated with the city to make the bike paths all connect nicely but the city didn’t want to play ball... and given how badly they came up with this original plan I sort of believe Proment!