rive-sud Pont Samuel-De Champlain

[godlucian]

De toute façon ça change quoi 1-2 ou même 3 semaines de retard pour être certain que tout est ok?

J'aimerais mieux qu'ils ouvrent le pont en janvier

[Decel]

Il y a 3 heures, Chris1989 a dit :

I still think they deserve an additional 14 days, after the crane operator strike. Give them until the first/second week of January and call it even.

Someone I know who works on site claims they are pretty sure they can get it done in time... we'll see

Can you ask him how done is "done" by his/their definition? Honest question, wanting to have a picture of what we can expect on opening day.

[Chris1989]

3 hours ago, Decel said:

Can you ask him how done is "done" by his/their definition? Honest question, wanting to have a picture of what we can expect on opening day.

An operational roadway. All the non-essentials will be finished in January/February.

If you happen to meet someone who worked on the bridge, you'll notice the pride they have in being a part of this project. The guy I know moved here with his family to help construct it, and says it's the most amazing project he's ever been a part of, and yet the media just keeps asking "yeah but when will it be finished?" I am so tired of the whining in this city.

They've had to deal with dreadful weather conditions in the last year which cut into their work schedule (the deep freeze of last winter, the scorching heat records of last summer), the crane operator strike cost them half a month of work, the limitations put on the old Champlain which meant certain materials could not be brought to site in the way they intended and slowed down their progress... it's been one roadblock after another and somehow they're still on track to complete one of the biggest infrastructure projects ever attempted in North America.

This new bridge was meant to be completed in 2022 and was only advanced to 2018 when the old one showed it was degrading faster than expected. They've somehow managed to construct one of the widest bridges in the world while dealing with persistent problems in an astonishing ~3 years (2015-2018). The old Champlain (1/3rd the width) took 5 years to be built (1957-1962).

Sorry for the rant (this wasn't specifically directed at you Decel) but I had to express just how tired I am of the pessimism and negativity that bogs down this city. We're getting a stunning new piece of infrastructure that is designed to last 125 years and will no doubt be a new icon for our city and yet, if the bridge is delayed even a tiny bit, it will somehow be the end of the world and the media will go into hysterics.

Modifié 13 octobre 2018 par Chris1989

[Ricardo100]

Il y a 4 heures, godlucian a dit :

De toute façon ça change quoi 1-2 ou même 3 semaines de retard pour être certain que tout est ok?

J'aimerais mieux qu'ils ouvrent le pont en janvier

J'ajouterais qu'afin d'assurer la qualité de construction de la dernière phase ( et ne pas tout garocher pour rencontrer la date de livraison) SSL devrait pouvoir prendre 1 ou 2 mois de plus pour compléter adéquatement les travaux. J'ai peur que la course pour rencontre le 21 décembre ne se traduise par plusieurs travaux correctifs par la suite. Ce n'est pas ce délai qui changera grand chose à l'état de la circulation à Mtl.

[Decel]

I sympathize with the rant, but this is a business deal. The consortium's bid did include deadlines and risk. Whatever is "unfair" by the contract's standard is to be/was settle(d), hopefully in a fair manner, in court. This is how economies run, thrive, and survive.

The public doesn't blame the people, except maybe the crane operators, but the inefficiencies of the delays. The delay of the acting government into deciding to replace the bridge (which was summoned on the subject since 2008-2009 if I recall what I heard). The delays in the piece deliveries, the delays due to the weather, the strikes. The cost of maintaining the old bridge due the delays. Hell, the delay into being confirmed that there would be (maybe) no delays!

If it's late, it's late. The only ones in the right to moan (financially, legally) would be the government and the consortium.

As long as we don't repeat what happened in Italy...

à l’instant, Ricardo100 a dit :

J'ajouterais qu'afin d'assurer la qualité de construction de la dernière phase ( et ne pas tout garocher pour rencontrer la date de livraison) SSL devrait pouvoir prendre 1 ou 2 mois de plus pour compléter adéquatement les travaux. J'ai peur que la course pour rencontre le 21 décembre ne se traduise par plusieurs travaux correctifs par la suite. Ce n'est pas ce délai qui changera grand chose à l'état de la circulation à Mtl.

La maintenance est dans le contrat. Le consortium prendra la décision qui lui coûtera la moins cher sur le long terme.

[Ricardo100]

Il y a 17 heures, Decel a dit :

I sympathize with the rant, but this is a business deal. The consortium's bid did include deadlines and risk. Whatever is "unfair" by the contract's standard is to be/was settle(d), hopefully in a fair manner, in court. This is how economies run, thrive, and survive.

The public doesn't blame the people, except maybe the crane operators, but the inefficiencies of the delays. The delay of the acting government into deciding to replace the bridge (which was summoned on the subject since 2008-2009 if I recall what I heard). The delays in the piece deliveries, the delays due to the weather, the strikes. The cost of maintaining the old bridge due the delays. Hell, the delay into being confirmed that there would be (maybe) no delays!

If it's late, it's late. The only ones in the right to moan (financially, legally) would be the government and the consortium.

As long as we don't repeat what happened in Italy...

La maintenance est dans le contrat. Le consortium prendra la décision qui lui coûtera la moins cher sur le long terme.

Decel, est-ce que tu penses que la maintenance couvre les coûts de correctifs pouvant être associés à un travail bâclé (afin de rencontre un date). Ce pont sera un véritable joyau dont nous devons être fier pour la région. J'espère simplement que le lustre de ce joyau ne sera pas par la suite terni à cause d'une question de quelques semaines de plus.

Modifié 13 octobre 2018 par Ricardo100
Correction d'erreur

[Decel]

il y a 25 minutes, Ricardo100 a dit :

Decel, est-ce que tu penses que la maintenant couvre les coûts de correctifs pouvant être associés à un travail bâclé (afin de rencontre un date). Ce pont sera un véritable joyau dont nous devons être fier pour la région. J'espère simplement que le lustre de ce joyau ne sera pas par la suite terni à cause d'une question de quelques semaines de plus.

Aucune idée. Comme Mr. Tout-le-monde, j'assume qu'ils ne vont pas tourner de coins rond, à condition que ces coins coûtent moins de 100k$/jour à corriger...

[Ricardo100]

il y a 5 minutes, Decel a dit :

Aucune idée. Comme Mr. Tout-le-monde, j'assume qu'ils ne vont pas tourner de coins rond, à condition que ces coins coûtent moins de 100k$/jour à corriger...

Je l'espère également.

[Philippe]

1 an de différence. Incroyable le volume de travail effectué depuis... 

[wellz]

Remember, they still have yet to configure the roads which will connect to the bridge. I dont see how this gets done by January. Early spring (March) would be a better estimate.